Thread about Pyle / Racism?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for your fist part, more anecdotal evidence which is worthless. Kendi is a racist so no one should listen to him, especially black people for whom his ideas are particularly dangerous.

Brilliant way to have a discussion. Essentially you are putting your fingers in your ears and chanting "la, la, la". It's precisely why I would rather delete your threads than waste time talking to a wall. It is amazing that Kendi presents such a threat to you. All because he asks you to reconsider your beliefs.

It's odd that no one (especially the media) brings up any of the instances of white people being mistreated. Why is that? To test this, I ask you to do an honest exercise. Without Google, tell me about Breonna Taylor. Now tell me about Duncan Lemp. Most people can write several paragraphs about BT but have no clue about DL. That should tell you something. And what it should tell you is that BT's horrendous death is being used to sell us something whereas DL's equally horrible death isn't. Why? And for the record, I oppose ALL knockless warrants etc. regardless of skin color.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What would you like changed specifically?

Specifically about what? With regard to how "American" is defined, I would like it to be more inclusive. A black Muslim woman wearing a hijab is just as American as a white Protestant male wearing a trucker hat. I would like society to stop viewing minorities as monolithic. For instance, if a white person commits a crime, it is not seen as a reflection on the entire white community (indeed, I am not sure if anyone even thinks there is a "white community"). But if a person of color does something, their entire communities are often expected to answer for it. For instance, why are American Muslims constantly asked to condemn ISIS or Hamas? Similarly, when Black people complain about their treatment by police, the response is often to say such treatment is justified because Black people commit a high percentage of crimes. But just because some Black people are criminals doesn't mean that all Black people should be considered potential criminals. This same sort collective responsibility doesn't apply to White people and it shouldn't apply to people of color either.

I agree with your whole first sentence.

'I would like society to stop viewing minorities as monolithic." That's what CRT does and is why I oppose it!

"if a person of color does something, their entire communities are often expected to answer for it" What?!?!?

"why are American Muslims constantly asked to condemn ISIS or Hamas?" Also what??!??!

You're watching too much MSNBC and Fox I guess. I mean, are their right-wing weirdos who think this? Sure. Are they anywhere near mainstream? No.

"But just because some Black people are criminals doesn't mean that all Black people should be considered potential criminals" Likewise, just because some white people are racists doesn't mean that all white people should be considered racists.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote: Likewise, just because some white people are racists doesn't mean that all white people should be considered racists.

This is one of many examples of you demonstrating how little you understand about CRT or the anti-racist movement in general. I am not sure that you realize that I am white. I do not consider myself to be a racist. I obviously don't think that I am the single exception, so it should be clear that I don't consider all white people to be racists. Nor do I agree with any such belief regardless of who holds it. What I do agree with is the suggestion that all white people benefit from white privilege. We don't all benefit to the same extent and there are a whole lot of additional benefits that some people get (even some who are not white) that not all of us get. So white privilege is not always enough to make all that significant difference for some people, but it is still there. I think all of us could benefit from efforts to understand and eliminate this unfairness.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:So you support discrimination against white people. Got it. At lest your position is clear.

If thinking that an unearned advantage is unfair means that I support discrimination against white people, then yes -- like LBJ -- I definitely support it.

You, on the other hand, are desperate to protect any advantage bestowed upon you simply due to your skin color.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for your fist part, more anecdotal evidence which is worthless. Kendi is a racist so no one should listen to him, especially black people for whom his ideas are particularly dangerous.

Brilliant way to have a discussion. Essentially you are putting your fingers in your ears and chanting "la, la, la". It's precisely why I would rather delete your threads than waste time talking to a wall. It is amazing that Kendi presents such a threat to you. All because he asks you to reconsider your beliefs.

It's odd that no one (especially the media) brings up any of the instances of white people being mistreated. Why is that? To test this, I ask you to do an honest exercise. Without Google, tell me about Breonna Taylor. Now tell me about Duncan Lemp. Most people can write several paragraphs about BT but have no clue about DL. That should tell you something. And what it should tell you is that BT's horrendous death is being used to sell us something whereas DL's equally horrible death isn't. Why? And for the record, I oppose ALL knockless warrants etc. regardless of skin color.

LOL. The first sentence above is a quote of your earlier post saying, "anecdotal evidence which is worthless". Now, all of a sudden, you are really into anecdotal evidence.

I can list any number of victims of police violence that you likely know nothing about. But, since you think the justice system is completely fair to people of color and you have brought up Breonna Taylor, let's discuss another aspect of that case. The police who killed her shot into multiple apartments. Yet, there have only been charges regarding the shots fired into a White family's apartment. A Black family's apartment was also shot into, but no charges for that one.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Likewise, just because some white people are racists doesn't mean that all white people should be considered racists.

This is one of many examples of you demonstrating how little you understand about CRT or the anti-racist movement in general. I am not sure that you realize that I am white. I do not consider myself to be a racist. I obviously don't think that I am the single exception, so it should be clear that I don't consider all white people to be racists. Nor do I agree with any such belief regardless of who holds it. What I do agree with is the suggestion that all white people benefit from white privilege. We don't all benefit to the same extent and there are a whole lot of additional benefits that some people get (even some who are not white) that not all of us get. So white privilege is not always enough to make all that significant difference for some people, but it is still there. I think all of us could benefit from efforts to understand and eliminate this unfairness.

Of course you're white. Most minorities don't have time for this BS. They also prefer to believe that they are in charge of their own destinies unlike woke whites who believe that white people are in charge.

"all white people benefit from white privilege" How much do they benefit and how much does simply being poor outweigh "white privilege"?

You've claimed several times that I don't "get" CRT so why don't you explain it to me.

"I think all of us could benefit from efforts to understand and eliminate this unfairness." Can you give some examples?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you support discrimination against white people. Got it. At lest your position is clear.

If thinking that an unearned advantage is unfair means that I support discrimination against white people, then yes -- like LBJ -- I definitely support it.

You, on the other hand, are desperate to protect any advantage bestowed upon you simply due to your skin color.

Such as?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for your fist part, more anecdotal evidence which is worthless. Kendi is a racist so no one should listen to him, especially black people for whom his ideas are particularly dangerous.

Brilliant way to have a discussion. Essentially you are putting your fingers in your ears and chanting "la, la, la". It's precisely why I would rather delete your threads than waste time talking to a wall. It is amazing that Kendi presents such a threat to you. All because he asks you to reconsider your beliefs.

It's odd that no one (especially the media) brings up any of the instances of white people being mistreated. Why is that? To test this, I ask you to do an honest exercise. Without Google, tell me about Breonna Taylor. Now tell me about Duncan Lemp. Most people can write several paragraphs about BT but have no clue about DL. That should tell you something. And what it should tell you is that BT's horrendous death is being used to sell us something whereas DL's equally horrible death isn't. Why? And for the record, I oppose ALL knockless warrants etc. regardless of skin color.

LOL. The first sentence above is a quote of your earlier post saying, "anecdotal evidence which is worthless". Now, all of a sudden, you are really into anecdotal evidence.

I can list any number of victims of police violence that you likely know nothing about. But, since you think the justice system is completely fair to people of color and you have brought up Breonna Taylor, let's discuss another aspect of that case. The police who killed her shot into multiple apartments. Yet, there have only been charges regarding the shots fired into a White family's apartment. A Black family's apartment was also shot into, but no charges for that one.

Got it. So you have no idea who Duncan Lemp is. You didn't even cheat and use Google. You're still fixated on pretending that cops only do bad things to black people. Terrible.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Got it. So you have no idea who Duncan Lemp is. You didn't even cheat and use Google. You're still fixated on pretending that cops only do bad things to black people. Terrible.

Throughout this thread you have constructed straw men which you easily burn down. Obviously, that is much easier for you than actually dealing with the substance of my posts. That technique is the hallmark of someone who is intellectually hollow. You are the one who criticized anecdotal evidence, but now are making anecdotal evidence the basis of your argument. I have no time for cheap games. You can create straw men and changes the rules or the game as you go along on someone else's time. I'm done with you.