Thread about Pyle / Racism?

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jsteele wrote:I don't know because I just deleted it immediately once I saw the topic. I simply can't handle any additional threads about how badly racism is affecting white people.

Sorry Jeff, but that makes you a racist.

LOL, are you a white person who is a victim of racism?

So you think someone has to be a victim of racism to oppose racism? That's a bold take Jeff.

I think you boldly avoided answering the question. I am sorry that the institutional racism of DCUM is oppressing white people. Maybe you can find a separate but equal forum?

Thank you for confirming that you think being a direct victim of racism is required to be against racism. As I said, that's a weird take.

And it's pretty clear that DCUM opposes diversity of ideas. There are plenty of POC who see CRT for the toxic, racist garbage it is. Check out John McWhorter for some insight. Most moderate Democrats like me also oppose it. Many of my progressive friends also oppose it. So it seems that the people who support it are a very narrow band of super-progressives. And don't you see the irony in what you wrote last? Proponents of CRT/DEI are the ones holding separate forums for different races, not classic liberals who would never.

I don’t think you even know what CRT is.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm with MLK and McWhorter. You're with Kendi who lobbies for discrimination. And you think I'm out of tough with the world. Lol.

PP, whose views do you believe have more support within the Black community? McWhorter's or Kendi's?

Given that McWhorter aligns with MLK, I'm going with McWhorter.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:I don't know because I just deleted it immediately once I saw the topic. I simply can't handle any additional threads about how badly racism is affecting white people.

Sorry Jeff, but that makes you a racist.

LOL, are you a white person who is a victim of racism?

So you think someone has to be a victim of racism to oppose racism? That's a bold take Jeff.

I think you boldly avoided answering the question. I am sorry that the institutional racism of DCUM is oppressing white people. Maybe you can find a separate but equal forum?

Thank you for confirming that you think being a direct victim of racism is required to be against racism. As I said, that's a weird take.

And it's pretty clear that DCUM opposes diversity of ideas. There are plenty of POC who see CRT for the toxic, racist garbage it is. Check out John McWhorter for some insight. Most moderate Democrats like me also oppose it. Many of my progressive friends also oppose it. So it seems that the people who support it are a very narrow band of super-progressives. And don't you see the irony in what you wrote last? Proponents of CRT/DEI are the ones holding separate forums for different races, not classic liberals who would never.

I don’t think you even know what CRT is.

Are you trying to use the lady who tried to pawn off a work of fiction as a history book as a source for what CRT is?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Are you trying to use the lady who tried to pawn off a work of fiction as a history book as a source for what CRT is?

Don't you think that she probably knows what CRT is? Or do you only rely on Fox News?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you trying to use the lady who tried to pawn off a work of fiction as a history book as a source for what CRT is?

Don't you think that she probably knows what CRT is? Or do you only rely on Fox News?

Woke lunatics like you should take note. CRT opponent's include everyone from the mid-left through the center and all the way to the far right. I'm in that first category.

As for CRT, it's looking at EVERYTHING through a lens of race and classifying it as oppressor or oppressed, which is insane.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you trying to use the lady who tried to pawn off a work of fiction as a history book as a source for what CRT is?

Don't you think that she probably knows what CRT is? Or do you only rely on Fox News?

P. S. As for her, she's a fiction writer posing as a historian so who knows what she knows? No one should trust her though. Her own university is denying her tenure based on the scandal that the 1619 project has become.

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you trying to use the lady who tried to pawn off a work of fiction as a history book as a source for what CRT is?

Don't you think that she probably knows what CRT is? Or do you only rely on Fox News?

P. S. As for her, she's a fiction writer posing as a historian so who knows what she knows? No one should trust her though. Her own university is denying her tenure based on the scandal that the 1619 project has become.

Her university recommended her for tenure. It was denied by a board led by a right-winger who lied about his own academic credentials and apparently influenced by a mega-donor. Her academic credentials had nothing to do with it.

Do you ever feel weird spouting the same talking points as Trump supporters? You call yourself a Democrat and perhaps you hold a few liberal views, but you are clearly a right-winger when it comes to race. It is farcical that you suggest you know more about CRT than Hannah-Jones. Though it is likely true that you have a better understanding of the absurd caricature of CRT created by Fox News and the like.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you trying to use the lady who tried to pawn off a work of fiction as a history book as a source for what CRT is?

Don't you think that she probably knows what CRT is? Or do you only rely on Fox News?

P. S. As for her, she's a fiction writer posing as a historian so who knows what she knows? No one should trust her though. Her own university is denying her tenure based on the scandal that the 1619 project has become.

Her university recommended her for tenure. It was denied by a board led by a right-winger who lied about his own academic credentials and apparently influenced by a mega-donor. Her academic credentials had nothing to do with it.

Do you ever feel weird spouting the same talking points as Trump supporters? You call yourself a Democrat and perhaps you hold a few liberal views, but you are clearly a right-winger when it comes to race. It is farcical that you suggest you know more about CRT than Hannah-Jones. Though it is likely true that you have a better understanding of the absurd caricature of CRT created by Fox News and the like.

The board is the university. Nuff said.

And she might know more than me about CRT. It's the way she's using it that's dangerous to liberal values and western civilization. Look what CRT did to some presumably smart people over at the AA History Museum: https://images.app.goo.gl/jJaNXUpLXQGK8gs7A
CRT put these ideas in those people's heads. Are we to assume that blackness is the opposite? Yikes.

[jsteele]

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The board is the university. Nuff said.

And she might know more than me about CRT. It's the way she's using it that's dangerous to liberal values and western civilization. Look what CRT did to some presumably smart people over at the AA History Museum: https://images.app.goo.gl/jJaNXUpLXQGK8gs7A
CRT put these ideas in those people's heads. Are we to assume that blackness is the opposite? Yikes.

The board is the university? Did you even attend a university? I attended three different universities and I couldn't name a board member at any of them. Not once did I ever make a decision about attending a university based on its board membership. Do you even think about the stuff that you write?

As for that graphic, it came from a book written in 1978. I doubt that it had anything to do with CRT. But, I'm glad to see that you and Donald Trump Jr. are on exactly the same page.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The board is the university. Nuff said.

And she might know more than me about CRT. It's the way she's using it that's dangerous to liberal values and western civilization. Look what CRT did to some presumably smart people over at the AA History Museum: https://images.app.goo.gl/jJaNXUpLXQGK8gs7A
CRT put these ideas in those people's heads. Are we to assume that blackness is the opposite? Yikes.

The board is the university? Did you even attend a university? I attended three different universities and I couldn't name a board member at any of them. Not once did I ever make a decision about attending a university based on its board membership. Do you even think about the stuff that you write?

As for that graphic, it came from a book written in 1978. I doubt that it had anything to do with CRT. But, I'm glad to see that you and Donald Trump Jr. are on exactly the same page.

Just like any other org, the board is the ultimate decision maker. Therefore it is the org.

As for the graphic, it was most recently published by the Smithsonian's AA History Museum. Why do you think someone did that? And its sentiment is very common amongst purveyors of CRT. They look at the successful areas of our culture, deem it "whiteness" and rail against it. Kendi, CRT's poster child, says that black people shouldn't conform to "whiteness". The problem is, as the chart shows, these are mainly liberal enlightenment values. So Kendi is dooming poor black kids by telling them that these are not the keys to success. Instead, Kendi encourages black culture to keep doing what they're doing which will continue the cycle. It's really tragic.

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jsteele wrote:I don't know because I just deleted it immediately once I saw the topic. I simply can't handle any additional threads about how badly racism is affecting white people.

Sorry Jeff, but that makes you a racist.

LOL, are you a white person who is a victim of racism?

So you think someone has to be a victim of racism to oppose racism? That's a bold take Jeff.

I think you boldly avoided answering the question. I am sorry that the institutional racism of DCUM is oppressing white people. Maybe you can find a separate but equal forum?

Thank you for confirming that you think being a direct victim of racism is required to be against racism. As I said, that's a weird take.

And it's pretty clear that DCUM opposes diversity of ideas. There are plenty of POC who see CRT for the toxic, racist garbage it is. Check out John McWhorter for some insight. Most moderate Democrats like me also oppose it. Many of my progressive friends also oppose it. So it seems that the people who support it are a very narrow band of super-progressives. And don't you see the irony in what you wrote last? Proponents of CRT/DEI are the ones holding separate forums for different races, not classic liberals who would never.

You are not a Dem. And Ex Republican here totally support it.

Racist.

My voter registration card says I'm a Dem. My voting record says I'm a Dem. I say I'm a Dem. Just because I don't subscribe to woke ultra-left ideas doesn't make me not a Dem. This is the problem with the woke. They are really blinded by their bubble. They consider anything more than 2 steps toward the center a Republican.

I'm curious, would you say McWhorter isn't a Dem either?

NP - and do you mean John McWhorter? If so - he is a known, and enthusiastic, contrarian. He's a smart interesting guy, but pretty far outside of the mainstream when it comes to identifying and calling out racism. You can look to him as an example of someone who doesn't see racism where many do, but it would be hard to point to him as proof that something is or isn't racism. He's a lot of racists' "black friend" as well.

I don't know if he's a Democrat - I would guess he's a libertarian, or at least leans libertarian. I don't know who he votes for, though

^ Actually, sorry - I don't know if he's anyone's "black friend" - but he is a famous contrarian on issues of race.

So the guy (McWhorter) who agrees with MLK is a contrarian but the guy who sees racism everywhere (Kendi) is mainstream? Hahahaha.

Yes, McWhorter is a contrarian. Sorry the world doesn't totally align with your worldview or something. Hahahahaha.

I'm with MLK and McWhorter. You're with Kendi who lobbies for discrimination. And you think I'm out of tough with the world. Lol.

This MLK?

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:I don't know because I just deleted it immediately once I saw the topic. I simply can't handle any additional threads about how badly racism is affecting white people.

Sorry Jeff, but that makes you a racist.

LOL, are you a white person who is a victim of racism?

So you think someone has to be a victim of racism to oppose racism? That's a bold take Jeff.

I think you boldly avoided answering the question. I am sorry that the institutional racism of DCUM is oppressing white people. Maybe you can find a separate but equal forum?

Thank you for confirming that you think being a direct victim of racism is required to be against racism. As I said, that's a weird take.

And it's pretty clear that DCUM opposes diversity of ideas. There are plenty of POC who see CRT for the toxic, racist garbage it is. Check out John McWhorter for some insight. Most moderate Democrats like me also oppose it. Many of my progressive friends also oppose it. So it seems that the people who support it are a very narrow band of super-progressives. And don't you see the irony in what you wrote last? Proponents of CRT/DEI are the ones holding separate forums for different races, not classic liberals who would never.

You are not a Dem. And Ex Republican here totally support it.

Racist.

My voter registration card says I'm a Dem. My voting record says I'm a Dem. I say I'm a Dem. Just because I don't subscribe to woke ultra-left ideas doesn't make me not a Dem. This is the problem with the woke. They are really blinded by their bubble. They consider anything more than 2 steps toward the center a Republican.

I'm curious, would you say McWhorter isn't a Dem either?

NP - and do you mean John McWhorter? If so - he is a known, and enthusiastic, contrarian. He's a smart interesting guy, but pretty far outside of the mainstream when it comes to identifying and calling out racism. You can look to him as an example of someone who doesn't see racism where many do, but it would be hard to point to him as proof that something is or isn't racism. He's a lot of racists' "black friend" as well.

I don't know if he's a Democrat - I would guess he's a libertarian, or at least leans libertarian. I don't know who he votes for, though

^ Actually, sorry - I don't know if he's anyone's "black friend" - but he is a famous contrarian on issues of race.

So the guy (McWhorter) who agrees with MLK is a contrarian but the guy who sees racism everywhere (Kendi) is mainstream? Hahahaha.

Yes, McWhorter is a contrarian. Sorry the world doesn't totally align with your worldview or something. Hahahahaha.

I'm with MLK and McWhorter. You're with Kendi who lobbies for discrimination. And you think I'm out of tough with the world. Lol.

This MLK?

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

Who's not free now? Mission accomplished.

[jsteele]

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Who's not free now? Mission accomplished.

Right, all barriers have been removed from the paths of Black people. The reason they are forced to wait hours in line to vote while White voters breeze in and out of polling places is due to their failure to take initiative, or something. A million other challenges faced by Black Americans that are not faced by White Americans are all figments of our imagination. In fact, the only remaining thing left in this country that is racist is CRT, the victims of which are white and provoked into unending whinefests on local discussion forums.

[Anonymous]

Who's not free now? Mission accomplished.

Who wasn’t free in 1963 that he bothered to write the letter in the first place?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:As for the graphic, it was most recently published by the Smithsonian's AA History Museum. Why do you think someone did that?

Let's see, a graphic published in 1978 by an African American scholar? The best place for that might be a museum. Perhaps, a museum about African Americans? Nah, that would just cause Don Jr. and his DCUM supporters to get upset.