With Woodward High School opening, are they also going to change the MS boundaries?

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That school isn't opening for at least four more years. You people are acting like it's opening tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

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It depends on the person. Between after school activities, private sports and music lessons us getting ours back and forthwotld be a nightmare.

They will be in high school. They can get themselves back and forth. Lots of high school kids take RideOn, Metrobus, and Metro; yours can too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

Conversely, some kids are happy to have a chance to make a fresh start in high school.

Many more kids are happy to keep some old friends.

Luckily, most HS students are conducting their friendships online or outside of school, not just at the cafeteria table. My oldest wanted to stay with her friends from MS. They didn’t have classes together and she got a lunch period that was different from everyone else. We ended up letting her get social media at 14 as a result. She also made a lot of new friends. It was a great lesson for her younger siblings. My two in HS now selected their schools in the DCC based on academics and have friends at MCPS, MoCo private, DC public and private, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

For many years there have been houses zoned for Tilden/WJ literally across the street from houses zoned for Newport Mill/Einstein, and literally across the backyard fence from houses zoned for Loiederman/Wheaton. These are neighbors. The schools serve the same or immediately adjacent neighborhoods. The families already mix together. They shop at the same grocery stores, go to the same gas stations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

For many years there have been houses zoned for Tilden/WJ literally across the street from houses zoned for Newport Mill/Einstein, and literally across the backyard fence from houses zoned for Loiederman/Wheaton. These are neighbors. The schools serve the same or immediately adjacent neighborhoods. The families already mix together. They shop at the same grocery stores, go to the same gas stations.

Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

For many years there have been houses zoned for Tilden/WJ literally across the street from houses zoned for Newport Mill/Einstein, and literally across the backyard fence from houses zoned for Loiederman/Wheaton. These are neighbors. The schools serve the same or immediately adjacent neighborhoods. The families already mix together. They shop at the same grocery stores, go to the same gas stations.

Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

So I guess you wouldn't want your kids in any magnet programs. cool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

For many years there have been houses zoned for Tilden/WJ literally across the street from houses zoned for Newport Mill/Einstein, and literally across the backyard fence from houses zoned for Loiederman/Wheaton. These are neighbors. The schools serve the same or immediately adjacent neighborhoods. The families already mix together. They shop at the same grocery stores, go to the same gas stations.

Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

They could always make Woodward 3/5 Tilden and 2/5 Loiederman and WJ 3/5 North Bethesda and 2/5 Newport Mill...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

For many years there have been houses zoned for Tilden/WJ literally across the street from houses zoned for Newport Mill/Einstein, and literally across the backyard fence from houses zoned for Loiederman/Wheaton. These are neighbors. The schools serve the same or immediately adjacent neighborhoods. The families already mix together. They shop at the same grocery stores, go to the same gas stations.

Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

So I guess you wouldn't want your kids in any magnet programs. cool.

Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

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Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

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Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

Tilden has 300 students per grade. North Bethesda MS has about 400 students per grade. I'm guessing they're not all besties.

[Anonymous]

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Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

Tilden has 300 students per grade. North Bethesda MS has about 400 students per grade. I'm guessing they're not all besties.

Right but the Tilden kids have a large cohort and the North Bethesda kids have their large cohort. You realize that’s not remotely the same as taking one feeder each from 2 different MS and dropping them into a HS where the other 3/5 of the students went to MS together, right? Why is it so hard for people to look at this logically and realize yeah that would be less than ideal for those kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

Tilden has 300 students per grade. North Bethesda MS has about 400 students per grade. I'm guessing they're not all besties.

Right but the Tilden kids have a large cohort and the North Bethesda kids have their large cohort. You realize that’s not remotely the same as taking one feeder each from 2 different MS and dropping them into a HS where the other 3/5 of the students went to MS together, right? Why is it so hard for people to look at this logically and realize yeah that would be less than ideal for those kids?

So you'd have a high school where each grade consisted of 200 kids from Middle School #1, 300 kids from Middle School #2, 100 kids from Middle School #3, and 100 kids from Middle School #4? And this would be a disaster because?

[Anonymous]

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Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

Lol, but you know its probably a pretty accurate assessment. For these parents that don’t seem to see the issue, let’s flip the script and say they sent either Loiederman or Newport Mill in its entirety to Woodward and then plucked one feeder each from Tilden and North Bethesda to complete the school population. I’m guessing you would have an issue with that with your kid now being one of the groups just sprinkled in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

Lol, but you know its probably a pretty accurate assessment. For these parents that don’t seem to see the issue, let’s flip the script and say they sent either Loiederman or Newport Mill in its entirety to Woodward and then plucked one feeder each from Tilden and North Bethesda to complete the school population. I’m guessing you would have an issue with that with your kid now being one of the groups just sprinkled in.

PPs are scared of people who are different from them and assume that everybody else is too.^^^

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Anonymous wrote:
Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

Tilden has 300 students per grade. North Bethesda MS has about 400 students per grade. I'm guessing they're not all besties.

Right but the Tilden kids have a large cohort and the North Bethesda kids have their large cohort. You realize that’s not remotely the same as taking one feeder each from 2 different MS and dropping them into a HS where the other 3/5 of the students went to MS together, right? Why is it so hard for people to look at this logically and realize yeah that would be less than ideal for those kids?

So you'd have a high school where each grade consisted of 200 kids from Middle School #1, 300 kids from Middle School #2, 100 kids from Middle School #3, and 100 kids from Middle School #4? And this would be a disaster because?

This would put Woodward over capacity, since 2700 is capacity. So it would really be more like 400 or so kids from middle school 1 and then 100-150 kids from middle school 2, and 100-150 from middle school 3. So yeah, that is a less than ideal situation for the kids from middle schools 2 and 3.