With Woodward High School opening, are they also going to change the MS boundaries?

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering about when Woodward HS opens 2026, and MCPS redraws boundaries for Woodward, WJ and I am assuming Einstein, are they also going to redraw the boundaries for North Bethesda MS, Tilden MS and Silver Creek MS?

For example, DS will be in MS in 2026 - what is the likelyhood he will stay with his cohort through 8th grade or will they all be split up?

Yes, the Woodward HS boundary study will include the DCC (or at least that's the current plan).

And yes, you should assume that there will also be changes in which middle schools go to which high schools.

DP. Though Silver Creek may not be part of it, since they're neither WJ nor DCC clusters. The middle schools I would expect to be part of the boundary study would be North Bethesda, Tilden and the DCC middle schools they're adjacent to: Newport Mill, Loiederman, and Parkland.

The MS consortium are no where close to Woodward. I would suspect Silver Creek would get moved to Woodward given the proximity to WJ/location.

Woodward to Silver Creek: 4.4 miles
Woodward to Loiederman: 4.5 miles

Loiederman is heavily Hispanic and low income. They wouldn't fit into the W crowd. Move Silver Creek.

Exactly--that's how you get diverse schools, by combining people from different backgrounds.

Except those kids don't want to be bused in nor to the kids there want them there. They want diversity in terms of race, not income. They don't want poor FARMS kids. Read the threads over the Einstein attacks here.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering about when Woodward HS opens 2026, and MCPS redraws boundaries for Woodward, WJ and I am assuming Einstein, are they also going to redraw the boundaries for North Bethesda MS, Tilden MS and Silver Creek MS?

For example, DS will be in MS in 2026 - what is the likelyhood he will stay with his cohort through 8th grade or will they all be split up?

Yes, the Woodward HS boundary study will include the DCC (or at least that's the current plan).

And yes, you should assume that there will also be changes in which middle schools go to which high schools.

DP. Though Silver Creek may not be part of it, since they're neither WJ nor DCC clusters. The middle schools I would expect to be part of the boundary study would be North Bethesda, Tilden and the DCC middle schools they're adjacent to: Newport Mill, Loiederman, and Parkland.

The MS consortium are no where close to Woodward. I would suspect Silver Creek would get moved to Woodward given the proximity to WJ/location.

Woodward to Silver Creek: 4.4 miles
Woodward to Loiederman: 4.5 miles

Loiederman is heavily Hispanic and low income. They wouldn't fit into the W crowd. Move Silver Creek.

Exactly--that's how you get diverse schools, by combining people from different backgrounds.

Except those kids don't want to be bused in nor to the kids there want them there. They want diversity in terms of race, not income. They don't want poor FARMS kids. Read the threads over the Einstein attacks here.

Like it or not kids from Loiederman and/or Newport Mill are going to end up at Woodward with kids from WJ, the horror!

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on if they try to keep a cluster model with articulation from ES to MS to HS the same for everyone. I hope they don’t and this is what finally causes them to break down those walls.

What are the benefits of the cluster model? I've heard board members advocate for keeping it but don't really understand why MCPS twists itself in knots to accommodate it.

So kids won't be separated from their ES friends if they articulate to different middle or high schools.

I could see this going either way. It could break up cliques and give kids different social opportunities, which would be a benefit. On the other hand, it would lower the cost of switching to private for some kids, because going to school without their friends would happen either way. That's a negative for MCPS.

Is there any direct educational benefit or operational efficiency that would be lost with split articulation?

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on if they try to keep a cluster model with articulation from ES to MS to HS the same for everyone. I hope they don’t and this is what finally causes them to break down those walls.

What are the benefits of the cluster model? I've heard board members advocate for keeping it but don't really understand why MCPS twists itself in knots to accommodate it.

So kids won't be separated from their ES friends if they articulate to different middle or high schools.

I could see this going either way. It could break up cliques and give kids different social opportunities, which would be a benefit. On the other hand, it would lower the cost of switching to private for some kids, because going to school without their friends would happen either way. That's a negative for MCPS.

Is there any direct educational benefit or operational efficiency that would be lost with split articulation?

Efficiency-wise, it's easier for a high school to have fewer middle schools as feeders, and for a middle school to have fewer high schools their kids feed to. Logistically simpler for there to be a direct pathway from one school to another.

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Efficiency-wise, it's easier for a high school to have fewer middle schools as feeders, and for a middle school to have fewer high schools their kids feed to. Logistically simpler for there to be a direct pathway from one school to another.

Why?

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As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

Conversely, some kids are happy to have a chance to make a fresh start in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering about when Woodward HS opens 2026, and MCPS redraws boundaries for Woodward, WJ and I am assuming Einstein, are they also going to redraw the boundaries for North Bethesda MS, Tilden MS and Silver Creek MS?

For example, DS will be in MS in 2026 - what is the likelyhood he will stay with his cohort through 8th grade or will they all be split up?

Yes, the Woodward HS boundary study will include the DCC (or at least that's the current plan).

And yes, you should assume that there will also be changes in which middle schools go to which high schools.

DP. Though Silver Creek may not be part of it, since they're neither WJ nor DCC clusters. The middle schools I would expect to be part of the boundary study would be North Bethesda, Tilden and the DCC middle schools they're adjacent to: Newport Mill, Loiederman, and Parkland.

The MS consortium are no where close to Woodward. I would suspect Silver Creek would get moved to Woodward given the proximity to WJ/location.

Woodward to Silver Creek: 4.4 miles
Woodward to Loiederman: 4.5 miles

Loiederman is heavily Hispanic and low income. They wouldn't fit into the W crowd. Move Silver Creek.

Exactly--that's how you get diverse schools, by combining people from different backgrounds.

The boundary analysis clearly shows that most people in MoCo don't care about diverse schools as much as they care about remaining in schools as close to home as possible. The only people obsessed with diversity are UMC white progressives.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering about when Woodward HS opens 2026, and MCPS redraws boundaries for Woodward, WJ and I am assuming Einstein, are they also going to redraw the boundaries for North Bethesda MS, Tilden MS and Silver Creek MS?

For example, DS will be in MS in 2026 - what is the likelyhood he will stay with his cohort through 8th grade or will they all be split up?

Yes, the Woodward HS boundary study will include the DCC (or at least that's the current plan).

And yes, you should assume that there will also be changes in which middle schools go to which high schools.

DP. Though Silver Creek may not be part of it, since they're neither WJ nor DCC clusters. The middle schools I would expect to be part of the boundary study would be North Bethesda, Tilden and the DCC middle schools they're adjacent to: Newport Mill, Loiederman, and Parkland.

The MS consortium are no where close to Woodward. I would suspect Silver Creek would get moved to Woodward given the proximity to WJ/location.

Woodward to Silver Creek: 4.4 miles
Woodward to Loiederman: 4.5 miles

Loiederman is heavily Hispanic and low income. They wouldn't fit into the W crowd. Move Silver Creek.

Exactly--that's how you get diverse schools, by combining people from different backgrounds.

Except those kids don't want to be bused in nor to the kids there want them there. They want diversity in terms of race, not income. They don't want poor FARMS kids. Read the threads over the Einstein attacks here.

Like it or not kids from Loiederman and/or Newport Mill are going to end up at Woodward with kids from WJ, the horror!

The horror is our kids being forced to go there, not the other way around. We bought to go to Einstein. Woodward is not equal.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on if they try to keep a cluster model with articulation from ES to MS to HS the same for everyone. I hope they don’t and this is what finally causes them to break down those walls.

What are the benefits of the cluster model? I've heard board members advocate for keeping it but don't really understand why MCPS twists itself in knots to accommodate it.

So kids won't be separated from their ES friends if they articulate to different middle or high schools.

I could see this going either way. It could break up cliques and give kids different social opportunities, which would be a benefit. On the other hand, it would lower the cost of switching to private for some kids, because going to school without their friends would happen either way. That's a negative for MCPS.

Is there any direct educational benefit or operational efficiency that would be lost with split articulation?

Dow county has choice. Our kids split up. It’s fine.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on if they try to keep a cluster model with articulation from ES to MS to HS the same for everyone. I hope they don’t and this is what finally causes them to break down those walls.

What are the benefits of the cluster model? I've heard board members advocate for keeping it but don't really understand why MCPS twists itself in knots to accommodate it.

So kids won't be separated from their ES friends if they articulate to different middle or high schools.

Depending on where you live, its pretty common to separate in ES or middle school. We are only going to MS with a handful of kids from ES and it will be the same when we switch to HS. Not a big deal. In some cases that's a good thing.

Sure, sure. Let's move kids around to as many different schools as much as possible. Kids don't need or even like stability, said no one ever.

Schools all over the country get rezoned on occasion. It’s hardly like it would happen every year a kid was in school. The best way to address it is to rezone an the high school for an ES and that way truly disgruntled families have years to move.

Sure. MoCo families don't want busing either but we were discussing matriculation from ES to MS to HS and most kids and families value stability. The boundary analysis said all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on if they try to keep a cluster model with articulation from ES to MS to HS the same for everyone. I hope they don’t and this is what finally causes them to break down those walls.

What are the benefits of the cluster model? I've heard board members advocate for keeping it but don't really understand why MCPS twists itself in knots to accommodate it.

So kids won't be separated from their ES friends if they articulate to different middle or high schools.

Depending on where you live, its pretty common to separate in ES or middle school. We are only going to MS with a handful of kids from ES and it will be the same when we switch to HS. Not a big deal. In some cases that's a good thing.

Sure, sure. Let's move kids around to as many different schools as much as possible. Kids don't need or even like stability, said no one ever.

You must be at at W school. This is very common down county with the consortiums. Its not a big deal.

Apparently it is a big deal. Schools in the DCC fail more often than they succeed. This so why east county progressives want busing.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering about when Woodward HS opens 2026, and MCPS redraws boundaries for Woodward, WJ and I am assuming Einstein, are they also going to redraw the boundaries for North Bethesda MS, Tilden MS and Silver Creek MS?

For example, DS will be in MS in 2026 - what is the likelyhood he will stay with his cohort through 8th grade or will they all be split up?

Yes, the Woodward HS boundary study will include the DCC (or at least that's the current plan).

And yes, you should assume that there will also be changes in which middle schools go to which high schools.

DP. Though Silver Creek may not be part of it, since they're neither WJ nor DCC clusters. The middle schools I would expect to be part of the boundary study would be North Bethesda, Tilden and the DCC middle schools they're adjacent to: Newport Mill, Loiederman, and Parkland.

The MS consortium are no where close to Woodward. I would suspect Silver Creek would get moved to Woodward given the proximity to WJ/location.

Woodward to Silver Creek: 4.4 miles
Woodward to Loiederman: 4.5 miles

Loiederman is heavily Hispanic and low income. They wouldn't fit into the W crowd. Move Silver Creek.

Exactly--that's how you get diverse schools, by combining people from different backgrounds.

Except those kids don't want to be bused in nor to the kids there want them there. They want diversity in terms of race, not income. They don't want poor FARMS kids. Read the threads over the Einstein attacks here.

Like it or not kids from Loiederman and/or Newport Mill are going to end up at Woodward with kids from WJ, the horror!

Not if the families currently at those schools have anything to say about it. No one wants their kids bused that far.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on if they try to keep a cluster model with articulation from ES to MS to HS the same for everyone. I hope they don’t and this is what finally causes them to break down those walls.

What are the benefits of the cluster model? I've heard board members advocate for keeping it but don't really understand why MCPS twists itself in knots to accommodate it.

So kids won't be separated from their ES friends if they articulate to different middle or high schools.

I could see this going either way. It could break up cliques and give kids different social opportunities, which would be a benefit. On the other hand, it would lower the cost of switching to private for some kids, because going to school without their friends would happen either way. That's a negative for MCPS.

Is there any direct educational benefit or operational efficiency that would be lost with split articulation?

Stability is good for kids. Split articulations go against this. Our kids are in a middle school that splits. Not fun to lose friends like that.