With Woodward High School opening, are they also going to change the MS boundaries?

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Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

Lol, but you know its probably a pretty accurate assessment. For these parents that don’t seem to see the issue, let’s flip the script and say they sent either Loiederman or Newport Mill in its entirety to Woodward and then plucked one feeder each from Tilden and North Bethesda to complete the school population. I’m guessing you would have an issue with that with your kid now being one of the groups just sprinkled in.

Well, that's what magnets are - and that seems to not be an issue - because those kids have even less of a majority when they get there. It's really NOT an issue - kids are resilient and they don't need to make friends with the entire school - they just need to be able to find like-minded kids with whom they can bond. Plus, if you're talking about less affluent being "sprinkled in" to a more affluent setting - study after study shows those kids do better in that environment - despite not being the majority of kids on campus. Honestly, I think that this is a smokescreen for worrying about mixing with kids that may not live in your 10-block neighborhood or - horrors - may live in a neighborhood that is less affluent than your own.

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Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

Tilden has 300 students per grade. North Bethesda MS has about 400 students per grade. I'm guessing they're not all besties.

Right but the Tilden kids have a large cohort and the North Bethesda kids have their large cohort. You realize that’s not remotely the same as taking one feeder each from 2 different MS and dropping them into a HS where the other 3/5 of the students went to MS together, right? Why is it so hard for people to look at this logically and realize yeah that would be less than ideal for those kids?

So you'd have a high school where each grade consisted of 200 kids from Middle School #1, 300 kids from Middle School #2, 100 kids from Middle School #3, and 100 kids from Middle School #4? And this would be a disaster because?

This would put Woodward over capacity, since 2700 is capacity. So it would really be more like 400 or so kids from middle school 1 and then 100-150 kids from middle school 2, and 100-150 from middle school 3. So yeah, that is a less than ideal situation for the kids from middle schools 2 and 3.

Seriously? This kind of thing happens all the time. It even happens in MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I think it’s crappy for kids to lose their MS friends when going into a HS. Particularly for girls, it is HARD to make friends at that age. It takes a lot of girls most of MS to find a group they are comfortable with, and then to split that group in two and send them to two different HS? (Or worse—have your daughter be the only one in her friend group not going to WJ or WW.). Clearly it’s not terrible on the level of being a refugee is terrible—but it’s not great. The idea of having to live that agony twice with a teen girl is really, really unappetizing to me as a parent.

I totally understand this, but I also look at it this way, it would be really crappy if they said ok, we’re going to send all of Tilden to Woodward and then a feeder from Wheaton and a feeder from Einstein. Not only are they busing those kids from Wheaton and/or Einstein into a school where everyone is unfamiliar, but they are each their own tiny segment of the school population while an entire MS of UMC kids from WJ joined Woodward together. To me that is setting those kids up for a miserable experience. I almost feel like Woodward should be all split matriculations so there isn’t that type of divide set up from the outset.

For many years there have been houses zoned for Tilden/WJ literally across the street from houses zoned for Newport Mill/Einstein, and literally across the backyard fence from houses zoned for Loiederman/Wheaton. These are neighbors. The schools serve the same or immediately adjacent neighborhoods. The families already mix together. They shop at the same grocery stores, go to the same gas stations.

Using the same gas stations and shopping at the same grocery stores has no bearing on high school social dynamics. If 3/5 of a HS went to MS together and the other 1/5 segments each went to separate MSs that puts them at a pretty clear social disadvantage. Would you want your child to be part of either of those 1/5 of the HSs population? I know I wouldn’t.

It isn't clear what you mean by social disadvantage.

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Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

Lol, but you know its probably a pretty accurate assessment. For these parents that don’t seem to see the issue, let’s flip the script and say they sent either Loiederman or Newport Mill in its entirety to Woodward and then plucked one feeder each from Tilden and North Bethesda to complete the school population. I’m guessing you would have an issue with that with your kid now being one of the groups just sprinkled in.

Well, that's what magnets are - and that seems to not be an issue - because those kids have even less of a majority when they get there. It's really NOT an issue - kids are resilient and they don't need to make friends with the entire school - they just need to be able to find like-minded kids with whom they can bond. Plus, if you're talking about less affluent being "sprinkled in" to a more affluent setting - study after study shows those kids do better in that environment - despite not being the majority of kids on campus. Honestly, I think that this is a smokescreen for worrying about mixing with kids that may not live in your 10-block neighborhood or - horrors - may live in a neighborhood that is less affluent than your own.

Magents don’t have supermajorities, they have kids from all over, which I think would be a great experience. Which is why I don’t think Woodward should just have a supermajority from one W feeder and then sprinkle in some kids from less affluent schools. And you have guessed incorrectly, my kids are at a Newport Mill feeder so I have no concerns about them interacting with less affluent kids. What I do have a concern with is them being sent to a school that 3/5 W kids who will look down on the kids from the less affluent schools.

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Magents don’t have supermajorities, they have kids from all over, which I think would be a great experience. Which is why I don’t think Woodward should just have a supermajority from one W feeder and then sprinkle in some kids from less affluent schools. And you have guessed incorrectly, my kids are at a Newport Mill feeder so I have no concerns about them interacting with less affluent kids. What I do have a concern with is them being sent to a school that 3/5 W kids who will look down on the kids from the less affluent schools.

Please stop referring to children as "sprinkles".

Maybe also stop assuming that

1. all of the kids from Tilden MS or North Bethesda MS are stuck-up snobs who will "look down on" kids from Newport Mill MS
2. kids from Newport Mill MS will care about the opinions of hypothetical stuck-up snobs

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Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

Lol, but you know its probably a pretty accurate assessment. For these parents that don’t seem to see the issue, let’s flip the script and say they sent either Loiederman or Newport Mill in its entirety to Woodward and then plucked one feeder each from Tilden and North Bethesda to complete the school population. I’m guessing you would have an issue with that with your kid now being one of the groups just sprinkled in.

PPs are scared of people who are different from them and assume that everybody else is too.^^^

It's called survival instinct and it's burned into humans' DNA.

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Anonymous wrote:The boundary analysis clearly shows that most people in MoCo don't care about diverse schools as much as they care about remaining in schools as close to home as possible. The only people obsessed with diversity are UMC white progressives.

Or at least people who self selected to participate in the survey. Not necessarily a representative sample.

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Not the same things, magnets pull kids from all over. That is markedly different than stacking a school with 3/5 of it UMC kids from a W school and then sprinkling in small segments from separate less affluent schools. If you don’t see that as a disadvantage to those kids I don’t know what to tell you, but I’m guessing your kid falls into the 3/5 from the W.

What a way to describe a potential school boundary.

Lol, but you know its probably a pretty accurate assessment. For these parents that don’t seem to see the issue, let’s flip the script and say they sent either Loiederman or Newport Mill in its entirety to Woodward and then plucked one feeder each from Tilden and North Bethesda to complete the school population. I’m guessing you would have an issue with that with your kid now being one of the groups just sprinkled in.

PPs are scared of people who are different from them and assume that everybody else is too.^^^

It's called survival instinct and it's burned into humans' DNA.

Nah, dude. It's just you.

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Anonymous wrote:The horror is our kids being forced to go there, not the other way around. We bought to go to Einstein. Woodward is not equal.

Woodward does not exist yet. How can you compare with any integrity?

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Anonymous wrote:The boundary analysis clearly shows that most people in MoCo don't care about diverse schools as much as they care about remaining in schools as close to home as possible. The only people obsessed with diversity are UMC white progressives.

Or at least people who self selected to participate in the survey. Not necessarily a representative sample.

Not AT ALL a representative sample. It was a convenience sample, that's all. As statistically valid as a Fox 5 Live InstaPoll.

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Magents don’t have supermajorities, they have kids from all over, which I think would be a great experience. Which is why I don’t think Woodward should just have a supermajority from one W feeder and then sprinkle in some kids from less affluent schools. And you have guessed incorrectly, my kids are at a Newport Mill feeder so I have no concerns about them interacting with less affluent kids. What I do have a concern with is them being sent to a school that 3/5 W kids who will look down on the kids from the less affluent schools.

Please stop referring to children as "sprinkles".

Maybe also stop assuming that

1. all of the kids from Tilden MS or North Bethesda MS are stuck-up snobs who will "look down on" kids from Newport Mill MS
2. kids from Newport Mill MS will care about the opinions of hypothetical stuck-up snobs

No one has referred to kids as sprinkles, the work sprinkle was never used as a noun, please check your reading comprehension. There have been whole meetings relating to the boundary analysis where parents of W kids have clearly demonstrated their disdain for kids in less affluent areas and their desire to keep their precious snowflakes from attending school with those kids, but sure I’ll assume those kids and their families will be warm and welcoming and not stuck-up in the least. I am a Newport Mill feeder parent, so I am not assuming anything as it relates to what families there want.

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Magents don’t have supermajorities, they have kids from all over, which I think would be a great experience. Which is why I don’t think Woodward should just have a supermajority from one W feeder and then sprinkle in some kids from less affluent schools. And you have guessed incorrectly, my kids are at a Newport Mill feeder so I have no concerns about them interacting with less affluent kids. What I do have a concern with is them being sent to a school that 3/5 W kids who will look down on the kids from the less affluent schools.

Please stop referring to children as "sprinkles".

Maybe also stop assuming that

1. all of the kids from Tilden MS or North Bethesda MS are stuck-up snobs who will "look down on" kids from Newport Mill MS
2. kids from Newport Mill MS will care about the opinions of hypothetical stuck-up snobs

Luxmanor and Garrett Park have 15-16% FARMS rates, so these are not exclusively UMC areas.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like MCPS should be building a high school in the eastern part of the DCC instead of or in addition to Woodward which is pretty far west. I don't have a horse in this race but looking at a map, this would seems to make more sense.

Down county real estate is rare and expensive. MCPS already owned this site.

Real estate is the major factor for school site selection.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering about when Woodward HS opens 2026, and MCPS redraws boundaries for Woodward, WJ and I am assuming Einstein, are they also going to redraw the boundaries for North Bethesda MS, Tilden MS and Silver Creek MS?

For example, DS will be in MS in 2026 - what is the likelyhood he will stay with his cohort through 8th grade or will they all be split up?

Will DS be in 6th? Because Unfortunately, the Woodward/Northwood project might be delayed one year by the County Council due to budget shortfalls.

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My child will be in HS in 2026, and a junior at WJ. If they redraw boundaries, will they, at least, grandfather kids who're already there?

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Anonymous wrote:The boundary analysis clearly shows that most people in MoCo don't care about diverse schools as much as they care about remaining in schools as close to home as possible. The only people obsessed with diversity are UMC white progressives.

Or at least people who self selected to participate in the survey. Not necessarily a representative sample.

WXY took great pains to seek out the opinions of underrepresented demographics from every part of the county. It's very representative. And if you look at the region by region factors breakdown, it's very clear that almost every region of the county overwhelmingly values stability and proximity above all else.