anyone else sick of “SEL”?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

Leave it to someone on DCUM to claim an ancient and global activity as exclusively “their” tradition.

Sorry sweetie, meditation did not originate from whites. Doesn't mean you can't practice it by any means but Asians and Africans practiced it first and Europeans adopted it way later. You really think during the Victorian era your people were doing mediation

Ancient Greece. Byzantine Empire. Blah blah blah.

Also, I have never previously heard anyone claim Africa and Asia as a single cultural heritage. You seem to be grasping at straws here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

Oh wow, I'm sure you're so concerned about Black children.
And really? Insulting an anon on a forum just because they don't agree with you? Classy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

as for yoga - it’s actually well known to be a modern practice in part inspired by British gymnastics. there was no “flow yoga” 5000 years ago that got appropriated. postural yoga is entwined with British colonialism but not in the way you think. https://amaramillerblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/the-origins-of-yoga-part-iii/

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

Oh wow, I'm sure you're so concerned about Black children.
And really? Insulting an anon on a forum just because they don't agree with you? Classy.

I am concerned about kids dealing with trauma and social/mental health issues, which is exactly why I think the “SEL” figleaf is repulsive. As for that PP she seems both ignorant and unbalanced, so yeah.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

Leave it to someone on DCUM to claim an ancient and global activity as exclusively “their” tradition.

Sorry sweetie, meditation did not originate from whites. Doesn't mean you can't practice it by any means but Asians and Africans practiced it first and Europeans adopted it way later. You really think during the Victorian era your people were doing mediation

Ancient Greece. Byzantine Empire. Blah blah blah.

Also, I have never previously heard anyone claim Africa and Asia as a single cultural heritage. You seem to be grasping at straws here.

No, Romans did not practice meditation, they did have something similar. Really you want me to list our every single country on those huge continents who practiced traditional meditation. I'm not like some posters who spend time typing tons of info for random strangers. Look it up yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

Leave it to someone on DCUM to claim an ancient and global activity as exclusively “their” tradition.

Sorry sweetie, meditation did not originate from whites. Doesn't mean you can't practice it by any means but Asians and Africans practiced it first and Europeans adopted it way later. You really think during the Victorian era your people were doing mediation

Ancient Greece. Byzantine Empire. Blah blah blah.

Also, I have never previously heard anyone claim Africa and Asia as a single cultural heritage. You seem to be grasping at straws here.

No, Romans did not practice meditation, they did have something similar. Really you want me to list our every single country on those huge continents who practiced traditional meditation. I'm not like some posters who spend time typing tons of info for random strangers. Look it up yourself.

what do you think “traditional meditation” is?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

Oh wow, I'm sure you're so concerned about Black children.
And really? Insulting an anon on a forum just because they don't agree with you? Classy.

I am concerned about kids dealing with trauma and social/mental health issues, which is exactly why I think the “SEL” figleaf is repulsive. As for that PP she seems both ignorant and unbalanced, so yeah.

If you can't bother to read the previous posts that's on you. That is one component of helping kids deal with trauma, not the whole picture. And what would you know? Have you ever worked in a school where 30% of the children are homeless? Where there are so many children facing trauma we have to have 2 social workers, school psyc, and a counselor? Please don't demean the practice of everyday wellness. It's not the cure for these kids for sure but it's a step towards the right direction.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

Leave it to someone on DCUM to claim an ancient and global activity as exclusively “their” tradition.

Sorry sweetie, meditation did not originate from whites. Doesn't mean you can't practice it by any means but Asians and Africans practiced it first and Europeans adopted it way later. You really think during the Victorian era your people were doing mediation

Ancient Greece. Byzantine Empire. Blah blah blah.

Also, I have never previously heard anyone claim Africa and Asia as a single cultural heritage. You seem to be grasping at straws here.

No, Romans did not practice meditation, they did have something similar. Really you want me to list our every single country on those huge continents who practiced traditional meditation. I'm not like some posters who spend time typing tons of info for random strangers. Look it up yourself.

Who mentioned Romans? Perhaps more school time needs to be spent on history.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of the lip service paid to “SEL” by DCPS and our elementary. It’s a buzzword and huge timewaster. It makes teachers and admins believe there is some kind of magic didactic lesson they can give to achieve “empathy” or whatever; but then they completely fail to invest in actual evidence-based practices to help kids with behavioral issues, bullying, or social skills problems. And of course, the utter irony of touting “SEL” while refusing to actually let kids come to school ...

SEL was the response to parents like you who probably threw in "mental health" on their banshee list of complaints.

huh? I know this because my child actually has mental health/social issues. SEL as delivered at out school neither helps him nor stops the other kids from being mean to him nor does it actually get teachers/admins to engage in evidence based practices to support him. But they sure do love to say “but we do SEL!!” whenever I bring an issue to him. And, I can guarantee that parents like you are precisely the ones who throw empathy etc out the window the second you think your precious child is in any way inconvenienced.

Classroom teachers should not be expected to provide personalized therapy for your child. SEL is global- everyone can get a little something from it. Your child should get her/his mental health needs met by a therapist/counselor. To say you are sick of it or it's ineffective might be true for a child like yours- but you do not speak on behalf of my child or the experiences of others.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

Oh wow, I'm sure you're so concerned about Black children.
And really? Insulting an anon on a forum just because they don't agree with you? Classy.

I am concerned about kids dealing with trauma and social/mental health issues, which is exactly why I think the “SEL” figleaf is repulsive. As for that PP she seems both ignorant and unbalanced, so yeah.

If you can't bother to read the previous posts that's on you. That is one component of helping kids deal with trauma, not the whole picture. And what would you know? Have you ever worked in a school where 30% of the children are homeless? Where there are so many children facing trauma we have to have 2 social workers, school psyc, and a counselor? Please don't demean the practice of everyday wellness. It's not the cure for these kids for sure but it's a step towards the right direction.

you’re not actually engaging in my point about trauma. it’s well known that some forms of meditation instruction can have unanticipated negative effects on people with trauma or other mental health issues - like depersonalization, anxiety, panic. It’s even MORE concerning that untrained practitioners would be delivering this to kids in high poverty schools without any awareness of this basic fact. Even worse the fact that this could take the place of actual psychological services as DCPS and schools pat themselves on the back about their “SEL.” A teacher with a few days training in “SEL” is not a therapist.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of the lip service paid to “SEL” by DCPS and our elementary. It’s a buzzword and huge timewaster. It makes teachers and admins believe there is some kind of magic didactic lesson they can give to achieve “empathy” or whatever; but then they completely fail to invest in actual evidence-based practices to help kids with behavioral issues, bullying, or social skills problems. And of course, the utter irony of touting “SEL” while refusing to actually let kids come to school ...

SEL was the response to parents like you who probably threw in "mental health" on their banshee list of complaints.

huh? I know this because my child actually has mental health/social issues. SEL as delivered at out school neither helps him nor stops the other kids from being mean to him nor does it actually get teachers/admins to engage in evidence based practices to support him. But they sure do love to say “but we do SEL!!” whenever I bring an issue to him. And, I can guarantee that parents like you are precisely the ones who throw empathy etc out the window the second you think your precious child is in any way inconvenienced.

Classroom teachers should not be expected to provide personalized therapy for your child. SEL is global- everyone can get a little something from it. Your child should get her/his mental health needs met by a therapist/counselor. To say you are sick of it or it's ineffective might be true for a child like yours- but you do not speak on behalf of my child or the experiences of others.

not what I said

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Anonymous wrote:PP teacher from early in the thread here. Though it’s really just given lip service at my school I heartily applaud schools that employ a school-wide consistent, evidence-based program (or at least ANY program that clearly is benefiting students). It is SO important to teach skills around emotional regulation!!! My particular school has fewer issues in this area but ALL schools and most humans could stand to work on these issues. Keep it up DCPS but give it the time and funding it needs. I like the idea of regular sessions or specials around it.

Having kids come from a school that does this just be careful what you wish for, I look back on the amount of time my kids spent on SEL as an opportunity cost. If there is some evidence based progressive curriculum with professional standards, goals, outcome measures, mastery, fine.

totally. I mean - just have the kids do yoga for 30 mins. at least that’s exercise and flexibility.

and moreover how can there be “mastery” for “emotional learning?” For untroubled kids, they naturally grow emotionally. for troubled kids, they need a lot more specific support that I don’t think a classroom teacher can/should do.

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PP teacher from above here. Agree that any specific program teaching emotional regulation should be done by skilled social workers or guidance counselors. Targeting more of this for students who are sorely lacking those skills can be part of a formal plan or a less formal group that meets at regular intervals to learn specific skills. True that not all kids need the full works!

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Anonymous wrote:PP teacher from early in the thread here. Though it’s really just given lip service at my school I heartily applaud schools that employ a school-wide consistent, evidence-based program (or at least ANY program that clearly is benefiting students). It is SO important to teach skills around emotional regulation!!! My particular school has fewer issues in this area but ALL schools and most humans could stand to work on these issues. Keep it up DCPS but give it the time and funding it needs. I like the idea of regular sessions or specials around it.

Having kids come from a school that does this just be careful what you wish for, I look back on the amount of time my kids spent on SEL as an opportunity cost. If there is some evidence based progressive curriculum with professional standards, goals, outcome measures, mastery, fine.

totally. I mean - just have the kids do yoga for 30 mins. at least that’s exercise and flexibility.

and moreover how can there be “mastery” for “emotional learning?” For untroubled kids, they naturally grow emotionally. for troubled kids, they need a lot more specific support that I don’t think a classroom teacher can/should do.

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PP teacher from above here. Agree that any specific program teaching emotional regulation should be done by skilled social workers or guidance counselors. Targeting more of this for students who are sorely lacking those skills can be part of a formal plan or a less formal group that meets at regular intervals to learn specific skills. True that not all kids need the full works!

You're a general education teacher aren't you... Gen ed teacher simply believe their job is to teach and pawn off all the behavioral and emotional needs on other people.
You absolutely can target social skills, emotional regulation, etc. And yes there can be an end goal, does it means it's THE end, NO.

Self-contained teachers do it all the time, why can't you?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

this is actually a really important point. for someone who has been through trauma or is just very private/introverted, “SEL” techniques like meditations can actually be harmful. actual therapists and mediation teachers know that there is no one size fits all.

LMAO you have no clue what meditation is do you?

yes, I do. and good meditation teachers know that you need to be very careful with how you teach meditation to someone with a history of trauma, anxiety, or other mental health challenges. even an instruction to “pay attention to the breath” can cause anxiety/panic in some people.

You really don't, meditation can literally be done by anyone who knows the basic foundations. It's not something needed by a licensed professional. Leave it to white people to take my people's traditional practices and make it into something to be monetized.

you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. and if you’re mad about “white people” monetizing cultural practices, you ought to be mad at “SEL” grift as well.

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/is-mindfulness-safe-for-trauma-survivors/

Oh thanks for linking a useless website article. No need to put white people in quotations, it is white people who are the primary culture vultures. I suggest you do actual research on what mediation is and how anyone can do and benefit from it. The one thing you said that is correct is there is no one size fits all. However as a teacher at a title 1 school with children who have been raped, beaten, experienced homelessness, etc. I can tell you this has helped them, it's not the sole reason by any means. Professional counseling is also a huge help.

Ps. social emotional learning is not the same things a mediation, which again you don't need a master's degree to perform. But I doubt you will admit your lack of knowledge about cultural appropriation and meditation.

your refusing to engage with a well-known phenomenon among actual meditation
teachers and psychologists just makes me even more convinced that “SEL” is poorly thought out nonsense. I won’t even get into your absurd claim that mindfulness and meditation are exclusively non-white.

Ah yes, only white meditation is ACTUAL meditation. How silly and very ignorant of me. Maybe it's silly at your little NW school but it has stopped some children at my school from committing suicide. I will agree, I've worked at schools where SEL is just a checklist but that doesn't mean it's not valuable when done with purpose.
Traditional meditation is yes a non-white practice. I mean look what you did to yoga, it's become a white woman's 'exercise.'

wow I’m even more concerned about “SEL” now. suicidal kids need to be getting therapy and medical care - not “SEL” delivered by unstable people like you.

Oh wow, I'm sure you're so concerned about Black children.
And really? Insulting an anon on a forum just because they don't agree with you? Classy.

I am concerned about kids dealing with trauma and social/mental health issues, which is exactly why I think the “SEL” figleaf is repulsive. As for that PP she seems both ignorant and unbalanced, so yeah.

If you can't bother to read the previous posts that's on you. That is one component of helping kids deal with trauma, not the whole picture. And what would you know? Have you ever worked in a school where 30% of the children are homeless? Where there are so many children facing trauma we have to have 2 social workers, school psyc, and a counselor? Please don't demean the practice of everyday wellness. It's not the cure for these kids for sure but it's a step towards the right direction.

you’re not actually engaging in my point about trauma. it’s well known that some forms of meditation instruction can have unanticipated negative effects on people with trauma or other mental health issues - like depersonalization, anxiety, panic. It’s even MORE concerning that untrained practitioners would be delivering this to kids in high poverty schools without any awareness of this basic fact. Even worse the fact that this could take the place of actual psychological services as DCPS and schools pat themselves on the back about their “SEL.” A teacher with a few days training in “SEL” is not a therapist.

Hmm and yet as a self-contained teacher I am in charge of all my students behavioral IEP goals, have to figure our how to further their social skills and emotional regulation. And yet I am not a therapist, and despite this I have successfully transitioned kids back into gen ed or made significant progress with them. Admittedly less so this year, as we lost 2 terms to DL.