anyone else sick of “SEL”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. But I am sick of morons blathering all over DCUM about how they are the real education experts.

+1

but it’s not education - it’s pseudoscience at worse, poorly and partially delivered at best. if my kid needs therapy he’ll get it from a professional. and as a mom of a kid who has actual social issues at school, I can also assure you that they use “SEL” as window dressing, while failing to do the hard work of actually helping the kids who need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I wanted my child indoctrinated with specific ideology I would go to private.

The public school job is to teach you how to think, not what to think.

There’s no ideology to SEL. It’s about not letting impulsive responses get in the way of good self-management.

The basic lesson is to take a deep breath before engaging in a playground spat or freaking out over a difficult test question.

There’s nothing to fear.

With that said, I think it’s absurd that Ferebee keeps promoting SEL is his emails, while failing to offer most students IPL for more than a year. The harm that’s done to kids’ mental health is immense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh you realize not every school does the same thing right? So just because your school sucks doesn’t mean they all do. And obviously we do need SEL, with all these shootings and our crime rate being so high.

You might not think it’s important at your little privileged school but it is. It’s important for all children to learn not to be adults with no sense of reality and emotional regulation skills.

NP. I think SEL is super important, but I’d really like to hear about its use with the most unregulated kids, such as those in DCPS’ emotional disabilities self contained classes. The only folks I hear raving about SEL are super parents of kids who seemed to learn these skills at home.

exactly. and I also think there’s zero evidence it reduces violence or builds emotional regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. But I am sick of morons blathering all over DCUM about how they are the real education experts.

+1

but it’s not education - it’s pseudoscience at worse, poorly and partially delivered at best. if my kid needs therapy he’ll get it from a professional. and as a mom of a kid who has actual social issues at school, I can also assure you that they use “SEL” as window dressing, while failing to do the hard work of actually helping the kids who need it.

spoken like a true karen who doesn't get she's part of a system where not all kids have access to private therapy and the only thing they get is in school (aren't you screaming for IPL)

and its pseudoscience? really? eye roll at anyone who thinks teaching kids to breathe to calm down is pseudoscience.

my child benefits from it greatly. and i can see how in DL he's not getting it. i need to step it up and do it with him but work, chores, reg stress and i forget

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. But I am sick of morons blathering all over DCUM about how they are the real education experts.

+1

but it’s not education - it’s pseudoscience at worse, poorly and partially delivered at best. if my kid needs therapy he’ll get it from a professional. and as a mom of a kid who has actual social issues at school, I can also assure you that they use “SEL” as window dressing, while failing to do the hard work of actually helping the kids who need it.

spoken like a true karen who doesn't get she's part of a system where not all kids have access to private therapy and the only thing they get is in school (aren't you screaming for IPL)

and its pseudoscience? really? eye roll at anyone who thinks teaching kids to breathe to calm down is pseudoscience.

my child benefits from it greatly. and i can see how in DL he's not getting it. i need to step it up and do it with him but work, chores, reg stress and i forget

oh ffs. if the children are traumatized and need therapy then they need therapy, provided through the school as part of an IEP or 504. Lessons on “take a deep breath” delivered by a BA are not going to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. But I am sick of morons blathering all over DCUM about how they are the real education experts.

+1

but it’s not education - it’s pseudoscience at worse, poorly and partially delivered at best. if my kid needs therapy he’ll get it from a professional. and as a mom of a kid who has actual social issues at school, I can also assure you that they use “SEL” as window dressing, while failing to do the hard work of actually helping the kids who need it.

spoken like a true karen who doesn't get she's part of a system where not all kids have access to private therapy and the only thing they get is in school (aren't you screaming for IPL)

and its pseudoscience? really? eye roll at anyone who thinks teaching kids to breathe to calm down is pseudoscience.

my child benefits from it greatly. and i can see how in DL he's not getting it. i need to step it up and do it with him but work, chores, reg stress and i forget

oh ffs. if the children are traumatized and need therapy then they need therapy, provided through the school as part of an IEP or 504. Lessons on “take a deep breath” delivered by a BA are not going to help.

maybe you could have benefited from some SEL in your younger years.

not everyone has access to therapy like you think they do

[Anonymous]

SEL sucks. It is this new wave of education ideology that schools somehow need to fix all the problems in children’s lives. Teachers need to have 10 different hats. It doesn’t work and teachers are getting burned out. If SEL is so important, hire more counselors and social workers for each school

[Anonymous]

PP teacher from early in the thread here. Though it’s really just given lip service at my school I heartily applaud schools that employ a school-wide consistent, evidence-based program (or at least ANY program that clearly is benefiting students). It is SO important to teach skills around emotional regulation!!! My particular school has fewer issues in this area but ALL schools and most humans could stand to work on these issues. Keep it up DCPS but give it the time and funding it needs. I like the idea of regular sessions or specials around it.

[Anonymous]

I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

+1

I think making us do any time of SEL as adults is really inappropriate. I don’t want to spend meetings or PD time learning how I can manage stress and discussing my personal life and challenges with colleagues. I find it wholly unprofessional and something I should be expected to do.

[Anonymous]

*not be expected to do

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

+1

I think making us do any time of SEL as adults is really inappropriate. I don’t want to spend meetings or PD time learning how I can manage stress and discussing my personal life and challenges with colleagues. I find it wholly unprofessional and something I should be expected to do.

I also find that if more adults got therapy we wouldn't have so many problems at work so sadly work is forced to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's ok if it's done well, adapts and the curriculum innovates. For my kids, it was extremely redundant and boring. I'm not sure either of them are approaching life and decision-making differently after years of it. A year of COVID and learning about resiliency and disappoint has probably done more for them.

As a teacher, I am ok with some integration into the classroom but I absolutely hate it being forced onto me professionally and the expectation that I practice SEL with my colleagues. I am a super introvert and I don't want to feel vulnerable, talk to my colleagues about my SEL needs and I don't want to feel pressured into participating in all the extra activities.

+1

I think making us do any time of SEL as adults is really inappropriate. I don’t want to spend meetings or PD time learning how I can manage stress and discussing my personal life and challenges with colleagues. I find it wholly unprofessional and something I should be expected to do.

I also find that if more adults got therapy we wouldn't have so many problems at work so sadly work is forced to do it.

What is this even supposed to mean? Exposing your personal vulnerability in a professional setting is foolish. The sad part is that adults go along with it and then complain when the information they willingly provided starts turning against them. Maybe this is why schools are so dysfunctional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of the lip service paid to “SEL” by DCPS and our elementary. It’s a buzzword and huge timewaster. It makes teachers and admins believe there is some kind of magic didactic lesson they can give to achieve “empathy” or whatever; but then they completely fail to invest in actual evidence-based practices to help kids with behavioral issues, bullying, or social skills problems. And of course, the utter irony of touting “SEL” while refusing to actually let kids come to school ...

SEL was the response to parents like you who probably threw in "mental health" on their banshee list of complaints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired of the lip service paid to “SEL” by DCPS and our elementary. It’s a buzzword and huge timewaster. It makes teachers and admins believe there is some kind of magic didactic lesson they can give to achieve “empathy” or whatever; but then they completely fail to invest in actual evidence-based practices to help kids with behavioral issues, bullying, or social skills problems. And of course, the utter irony of touting “SEL” while refusing to actually let kids come to school ...

SEL was the response to parents like you who probably threw in "mental health" on their banshee list of complaints.

?? SEL was the response to fact that kids with good emotional management are more successful in school and life.

- dp