compare rankings of unis vs LACs

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some numbers that presumably reveal something about a school's current popularity. These are stats for the schools recently mentioned in this thread. BTW, all these schools became test-optional this year.

Applications were up 30% at Middlebury this year,

https://middleburycampus.com/53708/news/applications-up-30-to-nearly-12000-in-historic-surge/

35% at Tufts

https://now.tufts.edu/articles/tufts-undergraduate-applications-rise-35-percent

Emory seems to have only released information on ED 1 and 2 applications, which were up 10%,

https://emorywheel.com/early-decision-ii-applicant-pool-grows-in-wake-of-test-optional-policy/

A reasonable conjecture is that Emory has not broadcast the rise in total applications because it isn't as impressive a number as for other schools.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/lcjb19/yet_another_series_of_records_news_emory_and/

Emory apps increased by 18%. Emory already received around 30k apps per year. Conversely Princeton only increased apps by 5% and Gatech by 11%. Emory regardless is the better school between the three with better outcomes for graduates.

By three schools I meant Middlebury and Tufts, but Emory is also better than Gatech at most things.

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Plainly not stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some numbers that presumably reveal something about a school's current popularity. These are stats for the schools recently mentioned in this thread. BTW, all these schools became test-optional this year.

Applications were up 30% at Middlebury this year,

https://middleburycampus.com/53708/news/applications-up-30-to-nearly-12000-in-historic-surge/

35% at Tufts

https://now.tufts.edu/articles/tufts-undergraduate-applications-rise-35-percent

Emory seems to have only released information on ED 1 and 2 applications, which were up 10%,

https://emorywheel.com/early-decision-ii-applicant-pool-grows-in-wake-of-test-optional-policy/

A reasonable conjecture is that Emory has not broadcast the rise in total applications because it isn't as impressive a number as for other schools.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/lcjb19/yet_another_series_of_records_news_emory_and/

Emory apps increased by 18%. Emory already received around 30k apps per year. Conversely Princeton only increased apps by 5% and Gatech by 11%. Emory regardless is the better school between the three with better outcomes for graduates.

What color is the sky on crazy planet?

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some numbers that presumably reveal something about a school's current popularity. These are stats for the schools recently mentioned in this thread. BTW, all these schools became test-optional this year.

Applications were up 30% at Middlebury this year,

https://middleburycampus.com/53708/news/applications-up-30-to-nearly-12000-in-historic-surge/

35% at Tufts

https://now.tufts.edu/articles/tufts-undergraduate-applications-rise-35-percent

Emory seems to have only released information on ED 1 and 2 applications, which were up 10%,

https://emorywheel.com/early-decision-ii-applicant-pool-grows-in-wake-of-test-optional-policy/

A reasonable conjecture is that Emory has not broadcast the rise in total applications because it isn't as impressive a number as for other schools.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/lcjb19/yet_another_series_of_records_news_emory_and/

Emory apps increased by 18%. Emory already received around 30k apps per year. Conversely Princeton only increased apps by 5% and Gatech by 11%. Emory regardless is the better school between the three with better outcomes for graduates.

What color is the sky on crazy planet?

I already said I meant Emory had better outcomes than Middlebury and Tufts not Princeton.

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Just as crazy

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You can look it up, just type the school name then "career outcomes" in google. Each school releases data on it.

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What’s up with all the posts about Emory? The poster is making me not want to have my kids apply there.

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Anonymous wrote:the idea that emory is better than middlebury is laughable. even more laughable is the idea that it would attract the same kind of student. midd is an elite school; top 10 SLAC in the country. Emory is ranked 21 on university list. however, none of that matters because a kid who is going to desire to go to midd is not going to want to go to emory and vice versa. they will attract a different kind of student; urban/rural; medium/small; greek life/no greek life; more pre-professional/true SLAC focused on languages and environmental studies. this is why the comparisons are just plain stupid.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Middlebury+College&with=Emory+University

You overrating Middlebury to the heavens.

Only in DCUM world would someone try to make a point that Emory is better than Midd and post a link that shows them chosen 50-50.

I'm not PP

That's the thing - no matter which side you are on it is literally 50-50 negating any corroborative value.

Parchment is a bogus site and cannot be trusted for valuable data. The site says that Emory's avg ACT is 20 for admitted students. TWENTY!!

I'm sorry, it does not say that is the average score for admitted students, it says that is the average score for students "interested in" Emory--two very different things I think you would agree. See

https://www.parchment.com/u/college/436-Emory-University/profile

Not sure how you could have misread that.

I might add that at my son's school, all students take the SAT in their junior year. Even those who do well on the SAT will then take the ACT in their senior year just for the heck of it to see how it goes. The average SAT score ends up being much better than the average ACT score. Each student reports the better score (SAT vs. ACT) when applying to colleges. So average ACT score of an "interested student" might be very different from the average ACT score of admitted students who choose to report ACT.

Parchment says it is based on actual data, but there could be some sort of bias in the schools that provide data to Parchment. I find it is plausible, particularly for schools where there is a significant overlap in applications. It won't really provide direct insights on selectivity. For instance, 81% of cross-admits choose MIT over Caltech, so 4 to 1. But if you consider that there are about 4.5 MIT undergraduates for every 1 Caltech undergraduates, you can see that it is likely with the number of common applicants, Caltech couldn't be 50-50 with MIT unless it were significantly larger than it is. They would be overenrolled at 50-50. Caltech actually has slightly higher stats than MIT.

Your argument makes no sense. Based on the parchment data, in the population of students accepted to both schools, 80% choose MIT. The schools obviously admit more students than can enroll based on yield information. There is no size adjustment needed.

It is simple math. If half of the students admitted to Caltech were also admitted to MIT and were choosing between those two, Caltech would be about 35% overenrolled if the percentage of cross-admits choosing Caltech went from 19% to 50%. If the percentage choosing Caltech completely flipped and 81% chose Caltech, Caltech would nearly fill its class solely from the cross-admits with MIT. If it did not increase its size, it would have to become significantly more selective to reduce the size of the overlap with MIT, and it already has slightly higher stats than MIT.

As it is, if the two schools are drawing from the same pool of admitted students (all with the comparable stats), Caltech only has to get 18% out of that pool to fill its class and have equivalent stats to MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:the idea that emory is better than middlebury is laughable. even more laughable is the idea that it would attract the same kind of student. midd is an elite school; top 10 SLAC in the country. Emory is ranked 21 on university list. however, none of that matters because a kid who is going to desire to go to midd is not going to want to go to emory and vice versa. they will attract a different kind of student; urban/rural; medium/small; greek life/no greek life; more pre-professional/true SLAC focused on languages and environmental studies. this is why the comparisons are just plain stupid.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Middlebury+College&with=Emory+University

You overrating Middlebury to the heavens.

Only in DCUM world would someone try to make a point that Emory is better than Midd and post a link that shows them chosen 50-50.

I'm not PP

That's the thing - no matter which side you are on it is literally 50-50 negating any corroborative value.

Parchment is a bogus site and cannot be trusted for valuable data. The site says that Emory's avg ACT is 20 for admitted students. TWENTY!!

I'm sorry, it does not say that is the average score for admitted students, it says that is the average score for students "interested in" Emory--two very different things I think you would agree. See

https://www.parchment.com/u/college/436-Emory-University/profile

Not sure how you could have misread that.

I might add that at my son's school, all students take the SAT in their junior year. Even those who do well on the SAT will then take the ACT in their senior year just for the heck of it to see how it goes. The average SAT score ends up being much better than the average ACT score. Each student reports the better score (SAT vs. ACT) when applying to colleges. So average ACT score of an "interested student" might be very different from the average ACT score of admitted students who choose to report ACT.

Parchment says it is based on actual data, but there could be some sort of bias in the schools that provide data to Parchment. I find it is plausible, particularly for schools where there is a significant overlap in applications. It won't really provide direct insights on selectivity. For instance, 81% of cross-admits choose MIT over Caltech, so 4 to 1. But if you consider that there are about 4.5 MIT undergraduates for every 1 Caltech undergraduates, you can see that it is likely with the number of common applicants, Caltech couldn't be 50-50 with MIT unless it were significantly larger than it is. They would be overenrolled at 50-50. Caltech actually has slightly higher stats than MIT.

Your argument makes no sense. Based on the parchment data, in the population of students accepted to both schools, 80% choose MIT. The schools obviously admit more students than can enroll based on yield information. There is no size adjustment needed.

It is simple math. If half of the students admitted to Caltech were also admitted to MIT and were choosing between those two, Caltech would be about 35% overenrolled if the percentage of cross-admits choosing Caltech went from 19% to 50%. If the percentage choosing Caltech completely flipped and 81% chose Caltech, Caltech would nearly fill its class solely from the cross-admits with MIT. If it did not increase its size, it would have to become significantly more selective to reduce the size of the overlap with MIT, and it already has slightly higher stats than MIT.

As it is, if the two schools are drawing from the same pool of admitted students (all with the comparable stats), Caltech only has to get 18% out of that pool to fill its class and have equivalent stats to MIT.

I want some of what you’re smokin dude.

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Anonymous wrote:the idea that emory is better than middlebury is laughable. even more laughable is the idea that it would attract the same kind of student. midd is an elite school; top 10 SLAC in the country. Emory is ranked 21 on university list. however, none of that matters because a kid who is going to desire to go to midd is not going to want to go to emory and vice versa. they will attract a different kind of student; urban/rural; medium/small; greek life/no greek life; more pre-professional/true SLAC focused on languages and environmental studies. this is why the comparisons are just plain stupid.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Middlebury+College&with=Emory+University

You overrating Middlebury to the heavens.

Only in DCUM world would someone try to make a point that Emory is better than Midd and post a link that shows them chosen 50-50.

I'm not PP

That's the thing - no matter which side you are on it is literally 50-50 negating any corroborative value.

Parchment is a bogus site and cannot be trusted for valuable data. The site says that Emory's avg ACT is 20 for admitted students. TWENTY!!

I'm sorry, it does not say that is the average score for admitted students, it says that is the average score for students "interested in" Emory--two very different things I think you would agree. See

https://www.parchment.com/u/college/436-Emory-University/profile

Not sure how you could have misread that.

I might add that at my son's school, all students take the SAT in their junior year. Even those who do well on the SAT will then take the ACT in their senior year just for the heck of it to see how it goes. The average SAT score ends up being much better than the average ACT score. Each student reports the better score (SAT vs. ACT) when applying to colleges. So average ACT score of an "interested student" might be very different from the average ACT score of admitted students who choose to report ACT.

Parchment says it is based on actual data, but there could be some sort of bias in the schools that provide data to Parchment. I find it is plausible, particularly for schools where there is a significant overlap in applications. It won't really provide direct insights on selectivity. For instance, 81% of cross-admits choose MIT over Caltech, so 4 to 1. But if you consider that there are about 4.5 MIT undergraduates for every 1 Caltech undergraduates, you can see that it is likely with the number of common applicants, Caltech couldn't be 50-50 with MIT unless it were significantly larger than it is. They would be overenrolled at 50-50. Caltech actually has slightly higher stats than MIT.

Your argument makes no sense. Based on the parchment data, in the population of students accepted to both schools, 80% choose MIT. The schools obviously admit more students than can enroll based on yield information. There is no size adjustment needed.

It is simple math. If half of the students admitted to Caltech were also admitted to MIT and were choosing between those two, Caltech would be about 35% overenrolled if the percentage of cross-admits choosing Caltech went from 19% to 50%. If the percentage choosing Caltech completely flipped and 81% chose Caltech, Caltech would nearly fill its class solely from the cross-admits with MIT. If it did not increase its size, it would have to become significantly more selective to reduce the size of the overlap with MIT, and it already has slightly higher stats than MIT.

As it is, if the two schools are drawing from the same pool of admitted students (all with the comparable stats), Caltech only has to get 18% out of that pool to fill its class and have equivalent stats to MIT.

I want some of what you’re smokin dude.

Really confused why you would trust a site like parchment? It's just dumb. A self report website for teenagers. It's silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Just as crazy

You can look it up, just type the school name then "career outcomes" in google. Each school releases data on it.

I can look it up. I just can't make you understand what it says.

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Really confused why you would trust a site like parchment? It's just dumb. A self report website for teenagers. It's silly.

I suppose you would dismiss Naviance too since it is, in your language, a "self report website for teenagers"?

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Anonymous wrote:Just as crazy

You can look it up, just type the school name then "career outcomes" in google. Each school releases data on it.

I can look it up. I just can't make you understand what it says.

And aren't the career outcomes reported by colleges also self reported? I don't think colleges are verifying job placements and salaries reported by graduates are they? Yet you seem to have faith in them??

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Anonymous wrote:I know Emory is a good school, but is it really all that impressive? Its high ranking is more due to Coca Cola fortune and endowment than academics or academic reputation.

Middlebury is one of the best SLACs in the country.

Emory is much better than Middlebury, a true shmuck would send their child to Miss if they also got into Emory.

With that said to answer OP's question the top 10 LAC's would be equal to the top 30 Unis. The times/wsj ranking combines both unis and lacs into the same ranking and Williams and Amherst are just outside the top 20.

All that is wrong. Though grads from both schools probably know how to spell "schmuck."

It's not wrong there's a reputable ranking that combine both unis and Williams and Amherst are right outside the top 20. Maybe 50 years ago Middlebury was better but today not a chance, most teens would choose Emory.

I think the reverse actually. Most kids today would choose Middlebury or Tifts over Emory. There is not a lot of buzz around Emory.

I went to Emory and before he moved to Atlanta, where we met, my elitist Washington DC-raised husband had never heard of it. Even since, he was convinced our B+ private school kid could get into Emory because, how smart would you really have to be, considering I went there. He thinks I'm quite average. He got a rude awakening when he realized it is valued higher than his coveted Georgetown

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Anonymous wrote:I know Emory is a good school, but is it really all that impressive? Its high ranking is more due to Coca Cola fortune and endowment than academics or academic reputation.

Middlebury is one of the best SLACs in the country.

Emory is much better than Middlebury, a true shmuck would send their child to Miss if they also got into Emory.

With that said to answer OP's question the top 10 LAC's would be equal to the top 30 Unis. The times/wsj ranking combines both unis and lacs into the same ranking and Williams and Amherst are just outside the top 20.

All that is wrong. Though grads from both schools probably know how to spell "schmuck."

It's not wrong there's a reputable ranking that combine both unis and Williams and Amherst are right outside the top 20. Maybe 50 years ago Middlebury was better but today not a chance, most teens would choose Emory.

I think the reverse actually. Most kids today would choose Middlebury or Tifts over Emory. There is not a lot of buzz around Emory.

I went to Emory and before he moved to Atlanta, where we met, my elitist Washington DC-raised husband had never heard of it. Even since, he was convinced our B+ private school kid could get into Emory because, how smart would you really have to be, considering I went there. He thinks I'm quite average. He got a rude awakening when he realized it is valued higher than his coveted Georgetown

How obnoxious. My friend and her DD were so sure they were getting into Emory they didn't check the decision the day it came out. It wasn't until they realized DD was rejected from all the other Reach schools (Vandy, ivys, etc.) that they looked at the Emory decision and found out she was also rejected there. Lucky for them she got the fat envelope for Georgetown at the end of the week. They're still as cocky as ever.