S/O- Affirmative Action- where does it end?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

I am a thoughtful Asian American and I do not reject and I agree with the line of thinking you mention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based. By all means, we should eliminate policies that discriminate and desegregate and provide reparations for war crimes against humanity. But affirmative action policies that is race based will continue to discriminate against other races by definition. There are better ways of dealing with inequities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Do you think Black people created affirmative action?
What are the great benefits that Black people have enjoyed due to affirmative action - can you point to any? Do we have more wealth? Do we have better health?
Do any of the minorities you speak of that are harmed by affirmative action want to trade places in life with a Black person?

Take a seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based. By all means, we should eliminate policies that discriminate and desegregate and provide reparations for war crimes against humanity. But affirmative action policies that is race based will continue to discriminate against other races by definition. There are better ways of dealing with inequities.

Exactly.

The other pp is making false equivalencies with the Germany tax analogy. Would Germany only make Americans pay MORE taxes would be more accurate. Would they tax another minority that immigrated there MORE than they would tax themselves for their own reparations?

And as the above poster stated, reparations are completely different from affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

All this chatter about affirmative action in the college forum, which has nothing to do with affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based. By all means, we should eliminate policies that discriminate and desegregate and provide reparations for war crimes against humanity. But affirmative action policies that is race based will continue to discriminate against other races by definition. There are better ways of dealing with inequities.

OK, what are the better ways of dealing with the present effects of past discrimination in education for this year's Senior class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based. By all means, we should eliminate policies that discriminate and desegregate and provide reparations for war crimes against humanity. But affirmative action policies that is race based will continue to discriminate against other races by definition. There are better ways of dealing with inequities.

OK, what are the better ways of dealing with the present effects of past discrimination in education for this year's Senior class?

This isn't a quick fix, I don't make the laws.

I do know that racially discriminating against another minority group in order to deal with the past discrimination in education by the majority group for this year's Senior class is equally wrong.

I could go so far as saying "thoughtful Black Americans would explicitly reject racism and discrimination in all forms" to contrast the snarky post above but you get the picture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Reparations are different from affirmative action that is race based. By all means, we should eliminate policies that discriminate and desegregate and provide reparations for war crimes against humanity. But affirmative action policies that is race based will continue to discriminate against other races by definition. There are better ways of dealing with inequities.

OK, what are the better ways of dealing with the present effects of past discrimination in education for this year's Senior class?

This isn't a quick fix, I don't make the laws.

I do know that racially discriminating against another minority group in order to deal with the past discrimination in education by the majority group for this year's Senior class is equally wrong.

I could go so far as saying "thoughtful Black Americans would explicitly reject racism and discrimination in all forms" to contrast the snarky post above but you get the picture.

College admissions practices, with few exceptions (Georgetown) have nothing to do with atoning for past discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

How would you suggest that we confront the inequalities of past policies that have currently day implications? If other minority groups are facing the same systemic racism in law enforcement, loans, housing, health care issues etc, what’s the hold up from being being allies? If you pretend not to see it because it either reinforces your belief or you benefit from it, how is that right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

How would you suggest that we confront the inequalities of past policies that have currently day implications? If other minority groups are facing the same systemic racism in law enforcement, loans, housing, health care issues etc, what’s the hold up from being being allies? If you pretend not to see it because it either reinforces your belief or you benefit from it, how is that right?

It’s a hypocritical thought process. Allies are a two way street.

If you’re okay with racist policies towards certain groups and not others, that is not being an ally. That is asking for support against racism of you while you support and fight for racist policies towards others because it benefits you.

[Anonymous]

I’m in the same situation. My son is technically half Latino. We are now rich and white for all practical purposes. Though I have scrapped up from nothing.

[Anonymous]

^^I’m the poster above. I think it’s fairer to base it on income. As I plop down thousands for sat tutoring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The one drop rule does not apply. Your son is white.

OP here and in that case genuine question- what would you say defines when someone can/cannot claim a racial affiliation? Racial percentage (and if so what percent is acceptable ), skin tone? Cultural affinity?

I agree that it seems somehow wrong, given the goals of affirmative action, but I’m struggling with if/how I should tell my son not to claim a legitimate part of his heritage because the benefit is not meant for him, especially knowing that the college game is rigged in so many other ways.

What has he been selecting all along to register for school, medical forms, and census etc.? My kids are bi-racial and every form has checked both black and white. They aren’t white their whole lives on every form and suddenly two races for college applications.

OP here- up to this point we have been the ones filling out these forms for him and we have usually left it blank or checked the « decline to state » box.

IMO, you should leave it blank or decline to say since that has been your stance to date even if technically you could select more than one race. There is some reason you or DH did not want to say that your son was a mix of black and white or asked your son what he wanted to put on the form. Whatever that reason should extend to college applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IMO, you should leave it blank or decline to say since that has been your stance to date even if technically you could select more than one race. There is some reason you or DH did not want to say that your son was a mix of black and white or asked your son what he wanted to put on the form. Whatever that reason should extend to college applications.

NP. Think about alternative reasons why this might be the case. Maybe, didn't want his mixed race held against him many yrs ago.