S/O- Affirmative Action- where does it end?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid doesn't identify as AA and has no physical attributes to being AA, then it will look really strange when the admissions staff looks him up and sees an image of an otherwise white person staring them from their SNAP or IG profile.

But OP’s son is in fact one quarter black. Is the son now expected to edit the facts of his genetics based on what an admissions counselor might think. And if the counselor is that insular, I’d say the problem is with the counselor This is the year 2021. Applicants are able to check more than one box for a reason.

My DD is half Asian and half white. She looks Hispanic. People who don’t know her often assume she’s Hispanic based on her looks and even try to speak Spanish with her. But that is not her culture or identity at all. Should she check the Latin American box on her apps because, in looking at her Insta, the reps might believe based on looks that she is Hispanic? Doing so would be as inaccurate and asinine as what you are saying to OP.

She should absolutely do that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Look at this asshole saying certain races should just accept racism for the privilege of living in America. Can you imagine if someone suggested this to any other minority group?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Look at this asshole saying certain races should just accept racism for the privilege of living in America. Can you imagine if someone suggested this to any other minority group?

For the millionth time: College admissions is not affirmative action, and the reasons governments enact affirmative action policies are very different from the reasons colleges seek racial balance in admissions.

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions do so equally across all races. As pointed out by a PP above, any college where a particular race in under-represented would achieve equal benefit, including Asians. It only appears racist if you focus on a small subset of colleges.

These are facts.

Yes it unfortunate that the cohort of Asian students seeking admission to Harvard are exceptional and Harvard can't accept them all. It is the same problem for the cohort of computer science students who would like to attend Carnegie Mellon and the star football players who would like to play for Clemson or Notre Dame.

And before you yell "It's different" I assure you it isn't.

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Colleges don’t seek racial balance equally across all races, PP.

If they did, then their racial breakdown would mirror that of the USA, but it doesn’t. White people constitute 70% of the US population, but at these top colleges we discuss on this board, they are not 70% of the student body.

One can say that’s fine because of the need to overrepresent oppressed minorities, but it’s the reality.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Look at this asshole saying certain races should just accept racism for the privilege of living in America. Can you imagine if someone suggested this to any other minority group?

For the millionth time: College admissions is not affirmative action, and the reasons governments enact affirmative action policies are very different from the reasons colleges seek racial balance in admissions.

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions do so equally across all races. As pointed out by a PP above, any college where a particular race in under-represented would achieve equal benefit, including Asians. It only appears racist if you focus on a small subset of colleges.

These are facts.

Yes it unfortunate that the cohort of Asian students seeking admission to Harvard are exceptional and Harvard can't accept them all. It is the same problem for the cohort of computer science students who would like to attend Carnegie Mellon and the star football players who would like to play for Clemson or Notre Dame.

And before you yell "It's different" I assure you it isn't.

Love how you want to justify this by stating “it only appears racist”.

Yeah, well the lady following you around Nordstrom also only appears racist, you know this only happens in a small subset of stores. It’s just being practical, so it’s just unfortunate that you get racially profiled.

And before you yell it’s different, I assure you it’s not.

[Anonymous]

Affirmative action gone bad at Harvard: admitting Kayleigh McEnaney and Josh Hawley
to get representation from diverse political persuasions/underrepresented states.

[Anonymous]

It will never end. An entitlement now

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

Is this extremely unclear post refering to the impact of affirmative action on Asians? It's unclear to me why anyone of recent Asian immigrant descent would believe that their parents could immigrate to a country that'e engaed in a historical reckoning for 400+ years of genocide and apartheid and think that their presence means that reckoning somehow shouldn't happen.

If Americans moved to postwar Germany, should German reparations to Israel have been halted because it's unfair to tax Americans for the crimes of Germans?

Of course, thoughtful Asain American explicitly reject that line of thinking.

Look at this asshole saying certain races should just accept racism for the privilege of living in America. Can you imagine if someone suggested this to any other minority group?

For the millionth time: College admissions is not affirmative action, and the reasons governments enact affirmative action policies are very different from the reasons colleges seek racial balance in admissions.

Colleges seeking racial balance in admissions do so equally across all races. As pointed out by a PP above, any college where a particular race in under-represented would achieve equal benefit, including Asians. It only appears racist if you focus on a small subset of colleges.

These are facts.

Yes it unfortunate that the cohort of Asian students seeking admission to Harvard are exceptional and Harvard can't accept them all. It is the same problem for the cohort of computer science students who would like to attend Carnegie Mellon and the star football players who would like to play for Clemson or Notre Dame.

And before you yell "It's different" I assure you it isn't.

Love how you want to justify this by stating “it only appears racist”.

Yeah, well the lady following you around Nordstrom also only appears racist, you know this only happens in a small subset of stores. It’s just being practical, so it’s just unfortunate that you get racially profiled.

And before you yell it’s different, I assure you it’s not.

This is a stupid analogy, which is somewhere between irrelevant and arguing for the opposite.

I assure you it IS.

[Anonymous]

I assure you, it’s not different and arguing or trying to clap back that it doesn’t fit your narrative is a weak line of thought.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP - affirmative action is horrible and discriminatory. It should not be a thing.

But this is the system we are dealing with, so your son should check both boxes or check 'two or more races'. (Which is it?)

OP, PP's opinions are horrible and ignorant. Affirmative action should absolutely be a thing.

I have no opinion about what box your child should check, but commend your throughtfullness in asking the question. Have you spoken to your child's guiance counselor or any admissions offices?

Affirmative action should be based on income not race, hence that would be no need to check "boxes". if you are white and poor, brown and poor, yellow and poor, and black and poor, you should benefit from affirmative action. The common denominator should be income not race.

+1
It's a racist policy. The worst part is the never ending lies, which have caused the sickos to rebrand the policy every few years. They give someone an opportunity because of the color of their skin, and that same opportunity is denied to someone because of their skin color. The policy has nothing to do with opportunity, it's all about genetics. And to make matters worse, when it comes to college admissions, they are discriminating against a group of people that has historically been discriminated against.

+2

I understand the historical inequities, I understand how systemic racism has affected generations of Black people.

I don't understand why Black people think it's okay for Affirmative Action to discriminate against another much smaller than them minority group based on race who were not their oppressors to right the wrongs they have faced by the hands and laws of White people.

This notion of collateral damage to get mine is racist, discriminatory, unjustified, and belligerent. All the things they seem to stand against, yet have no problem partaking in. Rising up by stepping on others is no different than what White people have done to Black people and other races all over the world.

How would you suggest that we confront the inequalities of past policies that have currently day implications? If other minority groups are facing the same systemic racism in law enforcement, loans, housing, health care issues etc, what’s the hold up from being being allies? If you pretend not to see it because it either reinforces your belief or you benefit from it, how is that right?

It’s a hypocritical thought process. Allies are a two way street.

If you’re okay with racist policies towards certain groups and not others, that is not being an ally. That is asking for support against racism of you while you support and fight for racist policies towards others because it benefits you.

Right - Denounce racist discriminatory policies of affirmative action against Asian Americans period. In addition, call out (totally ignored by media) systematic racism and dismissal towards Asian Americans in sports, politics (don't give me Kamala non-sense), television, movies, music, journalism, judiciary, C-Suites, law firms, consulting, negative portrayal in media - basically in all areas in business, government and entertainment fields.

In addition, comedians openly mock Asians when they cannot for any other groups (including g fat people, disabled people, gay people etc.). Asians lack protection that gays, fat people and other groups in the society enjoy. On top of that, Asian men are constantly portrayed as feminine in TV programs, movies, music and in popular culture leading to negative consequences. You may try to minimize the hardships of Asian Americans and that is precisely the point. Asians would be treated just like blacks by law enforcement if Asians become belligerent and confrontational with law enforcement officers. Asians KNOW they lack the requisite politicians and receptive media people who will jump at these incidents for blacks. Asians who suffer death, injuries and worse as a result of hate crimes DO NOT even get reported or hardly ever get reported in the media : https://news.uchicago.edu/story/uchicago-mourns-loss-phd-student-yiran-fan

People spout oh there is no hardship for Asian Americans - only because Asians are deemed not worthy of even being a part of a discussion or even having a "seat" at the table in every possible ways. Most Asians would love to trade places with Blacks in US.

Eliminate racist affirmative action.

Only way to end racial discrimination is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

+1

[Anonymous]

Here’s a slightly unrelated idea. How about not quoting a gigantic wall of text to say “+1”? Can we at least all agree on that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a slightly unrelated idea. How about not quoting a gigantic wall of text to say “+1”? Can we at least all agree on that?

-1

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a slightly unrelated idea. How about not quoting a gigantic wall of text to say “+1”? Can we at least all agree on that?

-1

OK that made me laugh, I admit. Even though I lobbed it up there to be smashed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will never end. An entitlement now

This. The attitude is now that they are entitled to it. Same for all other handouts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will never end. An entitlement now

This. The attitude is now that they are entitled to it. Same for all other handouts.

Sorry, are you referring to the incredible leg up that wealthy, mediorce white families get via legacy admissions, higher ED admit rate for full pay, recruitment for country club sports and admissions preference for expensive private schools?

If so, I agree. It's terrible how they've come to expect their privilege to be enforced/extended in all areas of life. Sad!