stay away from Farm raised salmon, esp. Norwegian

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Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Yes! Yes, you do darling. Because nothing like a good fat Salmon that has been raised in the tinny tub with thousands of other just like him. This is an equivalent of fish hell. Imagine this beautiful, magnificent fish that should be free and swim happily and enjoy life
living all their lives circling around and so crowded that they can not even make a u turn if wanted. Would you like to live like that?

So, enjoy your farm raised Salmon and I hope next time you do you will see this clearly in your head and that feeling... how that poor fish struggles ever moment of their short lives and that freedom taken away from them. If this is kind of raising living creatures is not cruel. I am not sure what is..

Op, do you have no other problems in your life to worry about? A salmon's quality of life is low on my list of things to be concerned about at the moment

[Anonymous]

The reason people love Norweigian salmon is that it is delicous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the thought OP but I eat salmon at least 2-3 times a week and I don't really distinguish between farm-raised or wild-caught. I buy what looks good that day when I'm at the store. I also eat canned tuna practically every day for lunch. I'll keep you posted about how it all works out...fingers crossed for a good outcome! I'm not being snarky, just realistic.

I'm curious how you doing a possibly destructive and very unhealthy behavior is in any way an own on OP.

It would be like someone posting an article about smoking causing cancer and someone posting, "I appreciate the thought OP but I smoke a pack of cigarettes every day." Okay? You deciding to perpetuate unhealthy behavior is a reflection on you, not OP or the facts she presented.

OP here. Thats for chiming in.....I think the poster you referenced is not so much making this about me as much as reflecting the general fatigue probably so many of us feel at finding out yet another thing we enjoy is bad for us.

But this is really much more than that. This is the equivelant of finding out the cigarette industry manipulated nictotine levels and hid the facts their own scientists knew about specific damage from their additives. We all know smoking is bad, but the how and the WHY is far more relevant because it reflects that we cannot trust industry, period.

In particular the food industry has loopholes that allow things to happen that should not. The toxin present in the feed for farmed fish is not supposed to be in the feed of ANY animal.

As a breast cancer survivor, I took note of the portion where they were advising women to NOT EAT SALMON to reduce their breast cancer recurrence risk because basically the old omega 3's in salmon that used to be good for us all are far eclipsed by the damage done to us from the other things.

Fish farming practices globally are BAD NEWS but where you find big money like in big fish such as salmon, its far worse than you know.

WATCH THE DOC,

NP - I will watch the documentary, but further research is always needed with these. Agenda driven documentaries are always inflammatory and do not always present truth in a scientifically sound way. Not saying that this one is like that, but don't use documentaries as your only source.

- MPH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But I buy my farmed salmon from whole foods... surely that's okay?

Please tell me you're kidding. Because the other option is just frightening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Me to. I find the wuld salmon disgusting. It's dry and tastes like cardboard.

This perplexes me. I grew up in Alaska and did -- and still do -- eat a lot of wild salmon. The farmed stuff can't hold a penny to wild Alaska salmon texture wise (farmed = mushy), color wise (farmed = pale pink) or taste wise (farmed = fishy). I mean, to each their own, but it still baffles me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Me to. I find the wuld salmon disgusting. It's dry and tastes like cardboard.

This perplexes me. I grew up in Alaska and did -- and still do -- eat a lot of wild salmon. The farmed stuff can't hold a penny to wild Alaska salmon texture wise (farmed = mushy), color wise (farmed = pale pink) or taste wise (farmed = fishy). I mean, to each their own, but it still baffles me.

I agree with PP. I thought I hated salmon until I had wild caught King salmon! Turns out I just hated the fishy farmed type.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the thought OP but I eat salmon at least 2-3 times a week and I don't really distinguish between farm-raised or wild-caught. I buy what looks good that day when I'm at the store. I also eat canned tuna practically every day for lunch. I'll keep you posted about how it all works out...fingers crossed for a good outcome! I'm not being snarky, just realistic.

I'm curious how you doing a possibly destructive and very unhealthy behavior is in any way an own on OP.

It would be like someone posting an article about smoking causing cancer and someone posting, "I appreciate the thought OP but I smoke a pack of cigarettes every day." Okay? You deciding to perpetuate unhealthy behavior is a reflection on you, not OP or the facts she presented.

OP here. Thats for chiming in.....I think the poster you referenced is not so much making this about me as much as reflecting the general fatigue probably so many of us feel at finding out yet another thing we enjoy is bad for us.

But this is really much more than that. This is the equivelant of finding out the cigarette industry manipulated nictotine levels and hid the facts their own scientists knew about specific damage from their additives. We all know smoking is bad, but the how and the WHY is far more relevant because it reflects that we cannot trust industry, period.

In particular the food industry has loopholes that allow things to happen that should not. The toxin present in the feed for farmed fish is not supposed to be in the feed of ANY animal.

As a breast cancer survivor, I took note of the portion where they were advising women to NOT EAT SALMON to reduce their breast cancer recurrence risk because basically the old omega 3's in salmon that used to be good for us all are far eclipsed by the damage done to us from the other things.

Fish farming practices globally are BAD NEWS but where you find big money like in big fish such as salmon, its far worse than you know.

WATCH THE DOC,

NP - I will watch the documentary, but further research is always needed with these. Agenda driven documentaries are always inflammatory and do not always present truth in a scientifically sound way. Not saying that this one is like that, but don't use documentaries as your only source.

- MPH

DP. I'm a scientist. This documentary is presented in a scientifically sound way. It's pretty well done, actually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I buy my farmed salmon from whole foods... surely that's okay?

Please tell me you're kidding. Because the other option is just frightening.

+1

Wholefoods has no credibility until they stop selling all non-organic meat or produce:

[Anonymous]

Two dangers with fish:

1. Fish farms creates varying levels of hormone-disrupting and carcinogenic compounds in fish.
2. Mercury accumulating in large wild-caught fish are also carcinogenic: swordfish, orange roughy, southern bluefin tuna particularly. Salmon not so much.

Solutions:

1. Eat small wild-caught fish as much as you want.
2. Eat the large wild-caught fish mentioned above rarely. Salmon is fine.
3. Put pressure on the fish farms to clean up their act, because as PPs said, the entire world can't eat wild fish, there aren't enough. We have to switch to farmed fish at some point. Norway is making great progress, actually, Chile, not so much. Those are two big fish farm producers.

Extra things to consider:

1. Worms are present in wild, never-frozen, fish, and occasionally they can cause digestive distress once consumed and require medical intervention. Buy fish that's been frozen on board the fishing vessel, it kills the parasites.
2. Sea lice are rare in wild-caught fish but more common in farmed fish because of mass congregation. While they don't cause problems for humans, they eat the fish alive, so are an ethical problem for fish farms.
3. Antibiotics are being phased out in Norway fish farms, but not in Chilean fish farms. They contribute to long-term antibiotic resistance in humans. Avoid at all costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Me to. I find the wuld salmon disgusting. It's dry and tastes like cardboard.

This perplexes me. I grew up in Alaska and did -- and still do -- eat a lot of wild salmon. The farmed stuff can't hold a penny to wild Alaska salmon texture wise (farmed = mushy), color wise (farmed = pale pink) or taste wise (farmed = fishy). I mean, to each their own, but it still baffles me.

DP: I love wild smoked salmon. When I buy uncooked salmon, I tend to prefer farmed because it’s fattier, and, therefore, much easier to cook than wild salmon. I’ve had wonderful wild-caught salmon in the Seattle area, though, so perhaps there are other variables in the mix?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason people love Norweigian salmon is that it is delicous.

One thing farmed Norwegian salmon also doesn't have? Botulism.

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2019/11/salmon-recalled-in-23-states-because-of-danger-of-botulism-poisoning/

[Anonymous]

Wow, I love salmon and was totally clueless about this. Thanks op, except now I don’t know what to order!

[Anonymous]

Thanks OP. I had assumed that Norwegian was okay simply because I am biased and thought the Nordic countries were safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Me to. I find the wuld salmon disgusting. It's dry and tastes like cardboard.

This perplexes me. I grew up in Alaska and did -- and still do -- eat a lot of wild salmon. The farmed stuff can't hold a penny to wild Alaska salmon texture wise (farmed = mushy), color wise (farmed = pale pink) or taste wise (farmed = fishy). I mean, to each their own, but it still baffles me.

DP: I love wild smoked salmon. When I buy uncooked salmon, I tend to prefer farmed because it’s fattier, and, therefore, much easier to cook than wild salmon. I’ve had wonderful wild-caught salmon in the Seattle area, though, so perhaps there are other variables in the mix?

Wild King and Wild Coho are both very fatty. Sockeye is leaner. So, I think it depends on the fish.

Plus, I don't like the wild salmon you buy from fish counters (it's usually thawed). I much to buy flash frozen fish, which keeps its texture better.