Amy Coney Barrett- what in the actual F?

[Anonymous]

It didn't immediately hit me how odd her description of her kids was, but it does make me wonder how the children feel about being defined by their trauma. And being described so differently from her biological children.

I also assume they don't use birth control, so if they didn't want more children, they should have stopped having sex before committing to an adoption.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you are grasping at straws. How many children have you adopted? How many special needs kids are you raising? Oh, that's right, just abort them and move one. Bunch of pearl clutching hypocrites.

2 adopted, one special needs. No straws in my hand. ACB is typical white savior that is so common among adptive parents that I know

One special needs and would never advertise his special needs in that fashion, as if his needs are somehow my accomplishment.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone actually know where John Roberts adopted his two kids? It never came out in his confirmation hearings—maybe because they are white and not black, the liberals gave him a pass.

Whoosh. You are completely out in right field.

No one is criticizing ACB for adopting children. No one. They are criticizing how she discusses them in relation to her biological children and they are impugning her motives for adopting them.

No one brought up John Roberts' adopted children, because little attention has been paid to the children or lack of for MALE nominees. That is nothing more than sexism in action. So much focus by the GOP on ACB's children. Their nomination of a female candidate has actually focused a strong light on exactly how backwards and sexist all those GOP Senators are.

Wake up.

Actually I think some people are criticizing ACB for adopting, including me! She has too many children. Some Christian extremists adopt so that they are raising an "army of Christian soldiers." Other reasons might include -- following God's orders to be fruitful and multiply, showing off wealth, been seen as a savior of poor children (and there's an ethical question about adopting from Haiti). None of those are about the good of the children.

I don't know that much about Roberts, but his family situation doesn't raise any alarm bells for me. He and his wife are both lawyers, just like the Barretts. They adopted a reasonable number of children for a two-lawyer family: Two. That speaks to an effort to make a family, rather than trying to make some kind of statement with your family.

His wife manages a Chevy Chase Village. She is a property manager who organizes holiday decorations

[Anonymous]

Gosh, gals. Yesterday it was her crappy education and today it’s her crappy parenting. What’s next — a post on Fashion and Beauty about her dress?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, gals. Yesterday it was her crappy education and today it’s her crappy parenting. What’s next — a post on Fashion and Beauty about her dress?

Lol already a 16 page thread in the Beauty & Fashion forum. Keep up, bro.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/918914.page

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone actually know where John Roberts adopted his two kids? It never came out in his confirmation hearings—maybe because they are white and not black, the liberals gave him a pass.

Whoosh. You are completely out in right field.

No one is criticizing ACB for adopting children. No one. They are criticizing how she discusses them in relation to her biological children and they are impugning her motives for adopting them.

No one brought up John Roberts' adopted children, because little attention has been paid to the children or lack of for MALE nominees. That is nothing more than sexism in action. So much focus by the GOP on ACB's children. Their nomination of a female candidate has actually focused a strong light on exactly how backwards and sexist all those GOP Senators are.

Wake up.

Actually I think some people are criticizing ACB for adopting, including me! She has too many children. Some Christian extremists adopt so that they are raising an "army of Christian soldiers." Other reasons might include -- following God's orders to be fruitful and multiply, showing off wealth, been seen as a savior of poor children (and there's an ethical question about adopting from Haiti). None of those are about the good of the children.

I don't know that much about Roberts, but his family situation doesn't raise any alarm bells for me. He and his wife are both lawyers, just like the Barretts. They adopted a reasonable number of children for a two-lawyer family: Two. That speaks to an effort to make a family, rather than trying to make some kind of statement with your family.

His wife manages a Chevy Chase Village. She is a property manager who organizes holiday decorations

That's Kavanaugh's wife who manages Chevy Chase. Roberts' wife was an accomplished lawyer in her own right who scaled back her practice to be home for the kids. One thing she does do now, though, is serve as the pro bono lawyer for Feminists for Life, in case anyone was thinking Roe was safe. http://feministsforlife.org/-news/jsroberts.htm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone actually know where John Roberts adopted his two kids? It never came out in his confirmation hearings—maybe because they are white and not black, the liberals gave him a pass.

Whoosh. You are completely out in right field.

No one is criticizing ACB for adopting children. No one. They are criticizing how she discusses them in relation to her biological children and they are impugning her motives for adopting them.

No one brought up John Roberts' adopted children, because little attention has been paid to the children or lack of for MALE nominees. That is nothing more than sexism in action. So much focus by the GOP on ACB's children. Their nomination of a female candidate has actually focused a strong light on exactly how backwards and sexist all those GOP Senators are.

Wake up.

Actually I think some people are criticizing ACB for adopting, including me! She has too many children. Some Christian extremists adopt so that they are raising an "army of Christian soldiers." Other reasons might include -- following God's orders to be fruitful and multiply, showing off wealth, been seen as a savior of poor children (and there's an ethical question about adopting from Haiti). None of those are about the good of the children.

I don't know that much about Roberts, but his family situation doesn't raise any alarm bells for me. He and his wife are both lawyers, just like the Barretts. They adopted a reasonable number of children for a two-lawyer family: Two. That speaks to an effort to make a family, rather than trying to make some kind of statement with your family.

His wife manages a Chevy Chase Village. She is a property manager who organizes holiday decorations

So she is retired. Who cares, what is your point? She had a law career.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone actually know where John Roberts adopted his two kids? It never came out in his confirmation hearings—maybe because they are white and not black, the liberals gave him a pass.

Whoosh. You are completely out in right field.

No one is criticizing ACB for adopting children. No one. They are criticizing how she discusses them in relation to her biological children and they are impugning her motives for adopting them.

No one brought up John Roberts' adopted children, because little attention has been paid to the children or lack of for MALE nominees. That is nothing more than sexism in action. So much focus by the GOP on ACB's children. Their nomination of a female candidate has actually focused a strong light on exactly how backwards and sexist all those GOP Senators are.

Wake up.

Actually I think some people are criticizing ACB for adopting, including me! She has too many children. Some Christian extremists adopt so that they are raising an "army of Christian soldiers." Other reasons might include -- following God's orders to be fruitful and multiply, showing off wealth, been seen as a savior of poor children (and there's an ethical question about adopting from Haiti). None of those are about the good of the children.

I don't know that much about Roberts, but his family situation doesn't raise any alarm bells for me. He and his wife are both lawyers, just like the Barretts. They adopted a reasonable number of children for a two-lawyer family: Two. That speaks to an effort to make a family, rather than trying to make some kind of statement with your family.

His wife manages a Chevy Chase Village. She is a property manager who organizes holiday decorations

So she is retired. Who cares, what is your point? She had a law career.

Nevermind, I see someone above has the facts straight.

[Anonymous]

white people cannot raise Black children. Period. End of discussion. She has literally stolen their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you are grasping at straws. How many children have you adopted? How many special needs kids are you raising? Oh, that's right, just abort them and move one. Bunch of pearl clutching hypocrites.

Of course nothing in your nice little diatribe of assumptions actually directly refutes any of the comments that you’re objecting to. “All”? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Earlier today, a friend of mine posted something about ACB and how we should pay attention to the way that she introduces her children, basically crowing about the academic achievements of the white children and basically saying that the biggest achievement of the black adoptive children is that they came from Haiti. I’m not sure I’m fully on board with that criticism, but as I was looking for the clip, I came across this article, which talks about how when she was adopting her second child, she found out she was pregnant.

It goes on to say “ Just as her husband was making final arrangements to pick John Peter up at the airport in Florida and complete the adoption, Amy learned that she was pregnant with Juliet. For about three hours, they weren't sure what decision to make. They had wanted five, but now it was looking like five and six were coming together. While taking a walk, Amy realized that her most significant impact on the world was raising her children. They decided to welcome John Peter into their family. A few days later, the three-year-old arrived at their home.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.moms.com/amy-coney-barretts-children/amp/

Mind you, this is immediately after the Haiti earthquake. OK so I have never adopted a child, but I literally cannot imagine the thought process of somebody who goes to Haiti to adopt a three year old child and then finds out that she is pregnant so then has second thoughts about going through with the adoption, literally having just rescued the orphan child from an earthquake destroyed foreign country. What kind of a person does this, and then freely admits to it as a point of pride in an interview? I’m disgusted. Which child wants to grow up reading this? If I were adopted I think I’d probably want to hear from my mom that she never doubted for a second that she wanted me. Not that she had a three hour window of debating whether or not I was worthy of her love.

Enough said. “I have never adopted a child.” This is likely the most hypocritical post ever. Have you ever been to Haiti or helped anyone other than yourself? Probably not. Then you throw race into it when she’s adopted two kids from Haiti. She’s a better human being than you’ll ever hope to be. Now, will she make a good justice? Who the heck knows, but you’re a complete and utter clown.

I have never adopted a child but I certainly have a child, and I know that I would never, ever fly to Haiti, form a parental relationship with a three year old over the course of several months, tell them that I was going to be their mommy, make all the preparations to pack up the child, remove them from their current surroundings and country, fly to another country with them, and then once there - reconsider if I wanted them at all bc I was pregnant. I would never do that. How very Christian of her. No PP, she is not a better human being than me. She's just more white and more "religious".

DP. You’re speaking from a place of ignorance. I have both bio and adopted children (domestic adoption with international flair). One thing that is made 100% clear to all prospective adoptive parents is that until the adoption is finalized that child is not your child. Indeed, there are numerous heartbreaking stories of children going home with adoptive parents only for the process to be undone legally. I also have a law degree and once you understand the family law dynamics to the adoption process on top of what your adoption agency is telling you, you don’t breath a sigh of relief and it is in the back of your mind that that child is not your child until the documents are finalized. Not because you would bail, but because that’s how the process works.

You’re applying your framework to how you would react but a comfortable percentage of parents who have been through adoption would have reacted like she did. We have friends in our neighborhood who were deep into the adoption process thinking they would never be able to conceive when they got a surprise pregnancy. Their bio daughter was born 2 months after their adopted daughter. These scenarios are not uncommon.

I do t have to adopt to know that it is disgusting to be holding a bonded three year old child in your arms and think “well, now I’m pregnant so maybe I won’t go through with this.” And that is NOT the same as a scenario where the adoption does not go through due to external legal/political/administrative factors. Don’t be disingenuous- she didn’t want the baby anymore bc she was having her own baby. And she said as much in stark language in an interview.

Again, anybody who has been through the process knows that you are clearly coached and counseled to accept that the adopted child is not your child until the adoption process in finalized and blessed by the legal system. The process is intentionally difficult and creates a situation where adoptive parents do keep some of their guard up.

Life isn’t neat and easy. I’d say that for the vast majority of families that go through the adoption process it is a gut wrenching process with lots of moments of self-doubt and second guessing. She had four children with a life plan in place to have five and she unexpectedly found out she was pregnant during a major inflection point in her life. Perhaps you would be the perfect example of grace and dignity under such circumstances, but she was candid and honest about her reaction and a reaction that many people would have shared. And, ultimately, she came to the right answer.

Her personal story really gets to people for some reason. She’s literally the embodiment of the woman who decides when and how many kids to have and a pro lifer who has done something about kids once they are out of the womb. Her personal story is a clear answer to some of the strongest criticisms about pro life people but it isn’t good enough. There is plenty of substantive stuff to criticize her over without chasing this area to attack her.

[Anonymous]

To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

THIS! The child was IN FLORIDA.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to listen to adult adoptees. Especially Black adult adoptees who were adopted by White parents. Most of them do not/did not appreciate their parents sharing their story so publicly. You can see the "white saviorism" coming through in ACB. Also, how is it that she has 2 Black kids and has never read a book on structural racism in the US? That is irresponsible and dangerous

Yeah, pretty much this. Does she think that she is shielded from racist thoughts and actions? Or the adoptions render her with some kind of magic power allowing her to transcend a condition that pervades nearly every corner of our society?

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Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Yeah, I’m sure they would have been much better off had they stayed in Haiti, if they were even still alive at all. She is their savior, and there are thousands of children out there who need more saviors like her. But the stupid SJWs like you establish this ridiculous narrative with no regard for their well-being at all. You would rather they stay living in poverty, squalor and abuse, jumping from foster home to foster home, anything but being adopted by a white family. It is immoral and shameful.