TJ Town Hall #2

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

you are talking less than top 2-3% of the county

making the school more diverse isn't fair

1. The school is already diverse
2. The way to get more URM is to have more URM coming through AAP with more advanced instruction and then better preparedness for TJ
3. What isn't fair is bringing in URM who are less qualified/prepared than non-URM individuals

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

Means most incoming students have 4.0 GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

Means most incoming students have 4.0 GPA.

That tells me that they may be missing some real STEM geniuses who may not be good in social studies. They've been doing it wrong

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

Means most incoming students have 4.0 GPA.

That tells me that they may be missing some real STEM geniuses who may not be good in social studies. They've been doing it wrong

You can basically be an idiot and still get A in social studies in middle school.

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Still not started?

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

Means most incoming students have 4.0 GPA.

and still many TJ student struggles at TJ. Think about URMs coming in without being prepared!

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

Not as strong as the lack of empathy among Asians who rise to the top and then complain about the crumbs left for others.

Out of curiosity, do other groups prioritize education as much as we do?

I'm not sure if prioritizing education is an Asian thing as much as it is an immigrant thing. A lot of URMs at TJ and top colleges are 1st or 2nd gen African immigrants. It's kind of self selecting because immigrants leave a life they're accustomed to in order to do something new/challenging in an unfamiliar country. The parents are also often international students who had to be the best in their countries in order to score a scholarship/fellowship to study in the U.S. There are tons of Asians who don't prioritize education in Asia.

East Asians do.

East Asian countries have a lot of cram schools. Plus the ancient Chinese exam system's influence lingers to this day, at least in the gaokao.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

Not as strong as the lack of empathy among Asians who rise to the top and then complain about the crumbs left for others.

Out of curiosity, do other groups prioritize education as much as we do?

I'm not sure if prioritizing education is an Asian thing as much as it is an immigrant thing. A lot of URMs at TJ and top colleges are 1st or 2nd gen African immigrants. It's kind of self selecting because immigrants leave a life they're accustomed to in order to do something new/challenging in an unfamiliar country. The parents are also often international students who had to be the best in their countries in order to score a scholarship/fellowship to study in the U.S. There are tons of Asians who don't prioritize education in Asia.

East Asians do.

East Asian countries have a lot of cram schools. Plus the ancient Chinese exam system's influence lingers to this day, at least in the gaokao.

Most, if not all, Asians value education. There are plenty of rich Asian kids who don’t study hard though. I do think that is an immigrant trait. These people immigrated to the US for a better life.

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Pp here. I meant rich Asian kids from Asia.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

Not as strong as the lack of empathy among Asians who rise to the top and then complain about the crumbs left for others.

Out of curiosity, do other groups prioritize education as much as we do?

I'm not sure if prioritizing education is an Asian thing as much as it is an immigrant thing. A lot of URMs at TJ and top colleges are 1st or 2nd gen African immigrants. It's kind of self selecting because immigrants leave a life they're accustomed to in order to do something new/challenging in an unfamiliar country. The parents are also often international students who had to be the best in their countries in order to score a scholarship/fellowship to study in the U.S. There are tons of Asians who don't prioritize education in Asia.

East Asians do.

East Asian countries have a lot of cram schools. Plus the ancient Chinese exam system's influence lingers to this day, at least in the gaokao.

East Asians believe in meritocracy especially in education.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

Means most incoming students have 4.0 GPA.

That tells me that they may be missing some real STEM geniuses who may not be good in social studies. They've been doing it wrong

Well, sure, but they already have plenty of STEM geniuses who are also good in social studies.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good exchange why are asian and immigrants not symbols of diversity

Brabrand states that it's time to get more black and latinx students (URM)

I would really like to understand how the first point is the case.

- an immigrant (FWIW not Asian)

It's because blacks and to a lesser extent latinos have better lobbying bodies inside the democratic party apparatus to make their voices heard

It's always been fascinating to me why the NAACP doesn't take on asian issues and causes. Asians are people of color too. I know why cynically but the hypocrisy is pretty strong.

When Asians start backing, supporting black and Latinos issues/causes and not think of themselves as minority only when it favors them, then NAACP will take on Asians issues.

Many Asians are marching for BLM in various cities. BTS has donated millions to BLM and their fans also have donated lot of money and famously trolled Trump campaign rally (Oklahoma) etc.

Yes, a few Asians ( mostly younger ones) are marching and supporting BLM Now. But where were they before this year, before BLM? The vast majority of Asians are in fact against BLM and you know that. Check out any social platform.
Even in this forum, check out all the condescending, dismissive posts towards Black i.e. "they want to pander to the blacks".

Even assuming not many but only some Asians are marching for BLM, I do not see ANY blacks supporting Asians and opposing the discriminatory TJ proposal or any discriminations against Asians. I haven’t seen blacks donating ANY money for Asian causes either.

DP, but Blacks have been fighting for everyone who's been discriminated against in this country for ever. Learn your history.
Also, the proposed change is not discriminatory toward Asians. It opens the doors to more groups. TJ is not a birthright to Asians.

This whole argument is evident if the problem. When someone mentions making the school more diverse and fair, Asians are taking it personally.

Incoming TJ students have average GPA of 3.96. Instead of these students, who have worked very hard, they want to lower the criteria to 3.5.

3.96? Is that weighted? That's awful high if out of 4

Unweighted.

https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDYsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyMDEwMDguMjg0NDg5MDEiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2JpdC5seS8zMEFIdUVuP3V0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSJ9.QYSN1ILlP9k3abohlUJw0ti6TkESeMsKQ7dfx7vKxYw/s/566242384/br/86633326458-l

Means most incoming students have 4.0 GPA.

That tells me that they may be missing some real STEM geniuses who may not be good in social studies. They've been doing it wrong

Well, sure, but they already have plenty of STEM geniuses who are also good in social studies.

False. They have excellent test takers who have figured out how to get good grades with as little effort as possible, who get slammed when they arrive at TJ and have real workloads to contend with and have to demonstrate their knowledge in ways other than test-taking. But the status quo admissions process selects for such a student.