If you think Republicans are going to kill the TJ lottery....

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Anonymous wrote:The people who think the Supreme Court will strikes this down are not lawyers. Nothing is more race blind than a lottery,

Changing the Asian composition of a school from 78% to 34%, while increasing the White representation from 18% to 45% is not race blind. Flipping the racial composition from Asians to Whites so that 17 blacks can enter is not race-blind.

It is race targeting in both directions.

https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/breaking-analysis-tj-lottery-would?r=1k5zy

If race is not considered as a criteria for admissions, which is the case for any lottery, admissions are race blind. This is actually a really simple legal principle.

The whole purpose is to change the racial distribution though, and dramatically at that. I am not in law. So excuse me if this does not make sense to me. The lottery itself is race-blind. But the implementation of the lottery seems not.

politicians are allowed to correct racial imbalances, they are just limited in the tools they can use- a race blind lottery is a tool they are allowed (and one that has bipartisan support). Calling a race blind lottery constitutional isn't even a controversial statement outside of the people screaming about TJ

I am not sure where in the constitution says politicians are allowed to correct racial makeup. How about a school has 70% gays, 60% fat people, 70% Catholics, 60% from India, 80% tall people, 100% girls? Are politicians allowed to correct them?

You can't invent rights in the constitution. You definitely can't discriminate based on race, which this proposal does. The whole purpose of this proposal is to "correct" racial makeup. It has everything to do with race. The outcome of the proposal is to reduce the representation of one race. It seems a slam dunk to me as unconstitutional. AA may go down with it.

if you really believe that, pass the hat and hire a law firm to pursue the case. The fact that you've heard crickets from the prominent conservative advocacy firms on this speaks volumes

The proposal has not passed yet. FCPS may come to their senses. If the current proposal passes I am pretty sure there will be a lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:The FCPS board is the governing body for now and the legislature is the group pushing the changes. If there was a real constitutional issue, firms would already be jockeying to get the case. They aren’t because there is no constitutional issue (outside of the minds of people on this board)

Actually, fcps operates TJ but is not the regional governing body required for a regional governor school. Fcps has stirred things with their proposal being rushed unilaterally and now other jurisdictions are calling for the statutorily mandated regional governing body consisting of all of the jurisdictions. I would say Brabrand didn’t do his homework with the proposal and should have consulted with the other jurisdictions.

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FCPS should just shut TJ down as a magnet at this point. Figure out a fair sum to pay other jurisdictions that contributed to TJ's renovation and be done with it. FCPS gets back a school that can serve the community, and boundaries can be adjusted so we don't have 3000-student behemoths.

If there is anything that is offensive from a legal perspective, it's giving a group of higher-income kids who are overwhelmingly Asian a deluxe education in a renovated building with a capped enrollment while kids elsewhere attend unrenovated or overcrowded schools. It certainly isn't a lottery that might enable kids from more parts of the county that owns and maintains the school to go there.

To hell with TJHSST.

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Anonymous wrote:The people who think the Supreme Court will strikes this down are not lawyers. Nothing is more race blind than a lottery,

Changing the Asian composition of a school from 78% to 34%, while increasing the White representation from 18% to 45% is not race blind. Flipping the racial composition from Asians to Whites so that 17 blacks can enter is not race-blind.

It is race targeting in both directions.

https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/breaking-analysis-tj-lottery-would?r=1k5zy

If race is not considered as a criteria for admissions, which is the case for any lottery, admissions are race blind. This is actually a really simple legal principle.

The whole purpose is to change the racial distribution though, and dramatically at that. I am not in law. So excuse me if this does not make sense to me. The lottery itself is race-blind. But the implementation of the lottery seems not.

politicians are allowed to correct racial imbalances, they are just limited in the tools they can use- a race blind lottery is a tool they are allowed (and one that has bipartisan support). Calling a race blind lottery constitutional isn't even a controversial statement outside of the people screaming about TJ

I am not sure where in the constitution says politicians are allowed to correct racial makeup. How about a school has 70% gays, 60% fat people, 70% Catholics, 60% from India, 80% tall people, 100% girls? Are politicians allowed to correct them?

You can't invent rights in the constitution. You definitely can't discriminate based on race, which this proposal does. The whole purpose of this proposal is to "correct" racial makeup. It has everything to do with race. The outcome of the proposal is to reduce the representation of one race. It seems a slam dunk to me as unconstitutional. AA may go down with it.

if you really believe that, pass the hat and hire a law firm to pursue the case. The fact that you've heard crickets from the prominent conservative advocacy firms on this speaks volumes

The proposal has not passed yet. FCPS may come to their senses. If the current proposal passes I am pretty sure there will be a lawsuit.

when a proposal that actually has cachet in legal circles get to this point, the interested advocacy groups have already been appearing before boards, writing letters, writing op eds. Have you seen anything from groups opposed ?

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Anonymous wrote:The FCPS board is the governing body for now and the legislature is the group pushing the changes. If there was a real constitutional issue, firms would already be jockeying to get the case. They aren’t because there is no constitutional issue (outside of the minds of people on this board)

Actually, fcps operates TJ but is not the regional governing body required for a regional governor school. Fcps has stirred things with their proposal being rushed unilaterally and now other jurisdictions are calling for the statutorily mandated regional governing body consisting of all of the jurisdictions. I would say Brabrand didn’t do his homework with the proposal and should have consulted with the other jurisdictions.

I have yet found a single instance that Brabrand did his homework. He is flat out terrible. 90% of the FCPS teachers can do a better job than him. It's time for him to be fired.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS should just shut TJ down as a magnet at this point. Figure out a fair sum to pay other jurisdictions that contributed to TJ's renovation and be done with it. FCPS gets back a school that can serve the community, and boundaries can be adjusted so we don't have 3000-student behemoths.

If there is anything that is offensive from a legal perspective, it's giving a group of higher-income kids who are overwhelmingly Asian a deluxe education in a renovated building with a capped enrollment while kids elsewhere attend unrenovated or overcrowded schools. It certainly isn't a lottery that might enable kids from more parts of the county that owns and maintains the school to go there.

To hell with TJHSST.

Fcps cannot unilaterally shut down TJ. Fcps doesn’t own TJ nor does it solely own the TJ building.

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If FCPS declines to participate in TJ, that effectively shuts it down.

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FCPS owns the building and it renews TJ's status as a Governor's School annually. It has no obligation to do so in perpetuity, and there are compelling reasons why it should return TJ to community use given both the overcrowding within FCPS and the never-ending controversy around TJ admissions. That might give rise to demands from other jurisdictions for compensation, which FCPS could certainly satisfy.

And then FCPS staff could stop spending so much time trying to build a better TJ mousetrap, and focus on issues other that are more relevant to the 99% of county students not enrolled at that one school, including STEM education generally.

[Anonymous]

Why in the world would Republicans try to kill the TJ lottery? It's designed to increase white enrollment - works perfectly for their current base.

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Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would Republicans try to kill the TJ lottery? It's designed to increase white enrollment - works perfectly for their current base.

It was designed to increase black numbers it white numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS owns the building and it renews TJ's status as a Governor's School annually. It has no obligation to do so in perpetuity, and there are compelling reasons why it should return TJ to community use given both the overcrowding within FCPS and the never-ending controversy around TJ admissions. That might give rise to demands from other jurisdictions for compensation, which FCPS could certainly satisfy.

And then FCPS staff could stop spending so much time trying to build a better TJ mousetrap, and focus on issues other that are more relevant to the 99% of county students not enrolled at that one school, including STEM education generally.

Go convince Brabrand. I am sure he’ll be all ears.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS owns the building and it renews TJ's status as a Governor's School annually. It has no obligation to do so in perpetuity, and there are compelling reasons why it should return TJ to community use given both the overcrowding within FCPS and the never-ending controversy around TJ admissions. That might give rise to demands from other jurisdictions for compensation, which FCPS could certainly satisfy.

And then FCPS staff could stop spending so much time trying to build a better TJ mousetrap, and focus on issues other that are more relevant to the 99% of county students not enrolled at that one school, including STEM education generally.

Well I think it would be difficult to convince SB if you think Brabrand will shut down the best high school in the country and pay tens of millions of dollars to do it because he didn’t get his way.

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Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would Republicans try to kill the TJ lottery? It's designed to increase white enrollment - works perfectly for their current base.

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Strangely this proposal authored by Democrats have appeals to Republicans. Asians get to learn a first hand experience of being a minority that has no political home.

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Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would Republicans try to kill the TJ lottery? It's designed to increase white enrollment - works perfectly for their current base.

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Strangely this proposal authored by Democrats have appeals to Republicans. Asians get to learn a first hand experience of being a minority that has no political home.

It’s designed to increase black enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would Republicans try to kill the TJ lottery? It's designed to increase white enrollment - works perfectly for their current base.

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Strangely this proposal authored by Democrats have appeals to Republicans. Asians get to learn a first hand experience of being a minority that has no political home.

It’s designed to increase black enrollment.

No it's virtual signaling. The outcome will mainly benefit whites at the expense of Asians. Black enrollment may be marginally improved. They can improve black enrollment easily today with the current holistic process.