Is Notre Dame screwing up?

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Anonymous wrote:http://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/notre-dame-students-share-coronavirus-testing-struggles

I saw this article on reddit. What a disaster.

Wow.

This matches what is being said on Twitter and on campus. They are in over their heads.

Schools planned to handle SMALL outbreaks. They never counted on needing to test thousands of people daily.

I think this is true. I think since it's a pretty small student body, and most are on campus, they really thought the outbreaks would be small - which would mean smaller circles of people needing to be testing. Instead the outbreak is larger, so you have exponentially larger numbers of tests needed.
They're working with U of I to get access to their rapid tests, which could be a game changer if it works (both the relationship and the actual test).
So far I don't think anything is out of what could be expected - and certainly some is true and some is pure drama - but I feel like they are sort of out the tipping point. Fingers crossed they can erign it all in.

With a virus this infectious, this was utterly predictable. The hubris of people is unbelievable! The virus doesn't care how hard you're trying or how much you believe your system of testing and tracing is sufficient. These are college kids living away from home. Even if they follow the rules 90 percent of the time, the other 10 percent will sink the ship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

Mine is at IU so I have been watching Notre Dame closely. While IU is bigger all of my kid's classes are online and he got a single (for more $$) do they have tried to reduce density. Lots of testing when coming onto campus but this doesn't bode well for other schools in the state.

[Anonymous]

ND screwed up by opening in person. That's all one can say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

Every college has a dashboard.

[Anonymous]

And it was forced upon campuses by the Board of Governors. Political appointees (party donors!), rather than educators.

Once again, Republicans favor greed/self-interest over science/expertise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And it was forced upon campuses by the Board of Governors. Political appointees (party donors!), rather than educators.

Once again, Republicans favor greed/self-interest over science/expertise.

There are plenty of schools in blue states which are operating like Notre Dame and UNC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

Mine is at IU so I have been watching Notre Dame closely. While IU is bigger all of my kid's classes are online and he got a single (for more $$) do they have tried to reduce density. Lots of testing when coming onto campus but this doesn't bode well for other schools in the state.

Kids may be in singles but too many are sharing bathrooms and other resources to be safe. Are you aware that your kid isn't allowed to have visitors to his room? Do you think kids will follow those directions? IU doesn't have a solid plan for continuing testing. Does IU plan to communicate the results of their testing? The school is too large to manage this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

Maybe don't type unless you actually know what you're talking about.

Here's ND's dashboard: https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Most schools have them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

Every college has a dashboard.

I have two kids in college. No dashboards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame did not reduce density in its residence halls, which are mostly traditional ones with doubles, triples, and quads, all sharing large communal bathrooms. That is going to make it much harder to contain the spread, no matter how much money they throw at testing and cleaning. I really hope they succeed, since if a rich and well-run university like ND can’t pull this off, it doesn’t bode well for other universities. Very few schools have the resources or the control over their students that ND does.

—ND alum

Agree but they did reduce density, somewhat, but didnt’ talk about it in those terms. They allowed all third years to move off campus, although they had a small window of time to make that decision at the end of June.

[Anonymous]

The dashboard simply crashed because of system overload.

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My kid's small school does.

But they are sending out DASHBOARD links/updates to the kids not the parents (which I think is surprising, since they sent out the COVID planning documents to both).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

At UNC the majority of cases were in the high rise dorms. No one assumed the problems were from off-campus socializing. The numbers for ND are surprising given how smallish the school is. It's smaller than UNC. My kid attends one of the big state schools in Indiana. The school has a plan but they admit there is a lot they can't control and they can't manage 2x testing for 50k+ students. Kid and I have a bet about the day the announcement is made that they are 100% dl.

How soon do schools start posting covid numbers?

Most schools don’t post Covid numbers. It’s better PR that way.

Mine is at IU so I have been watching Notre Dame closely. While IU is bigger all of my kid's classes are online and he got a single (for more $$) do they have tried to reduce density. Lots of testing when coming onto campus but this doesn't bode well for other schools in the state.

Kids may be in singles but too many are sharing bathrooms and other resources to be safe. Are you aware that your kid isn't allowed to have visitors to his room? Do you think kids will follow those directions? IU doesn't have a solid plan for continuing testing. Does IU plan to communicate the results of their testing? The school is too large to manage this.

UT Austin is even larger than IU and has moved in undergrads. They are usually at least 40K students so I wonder what the plan is.