Is Notre Dame screwing up?

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Anonymous wrote:They are up to 147 cases! That's why the dashboard was down.

Holy crap! That’s worse than UNC

Dude just didn’t want to hit the submit key on that one

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to be the devil's advocate here. First off, I full support wearing masks. That being said, is it terrible if the kids get mild cases of COVID? This would help us to achieve herd immunity, right? I don't want for the students to put their professors at risk. They can do online learning from their dorm rooms. Dorm workers should be given adequate PPE. If professors and dorm workers can be protected, is there any great harm done?

With a disease this infectious, the problem is there is no way to protect the rest of the community once spread gets too high. The idea is to contain outbreaks and stop the spread, so the whole community (and town and county) doesn't need to go back to shelter in place orders.

Colleges reopened with the expectation from the college town and county that they would be able to contain spread and not have COVID percolate on campus, then explode into the off campus community.

If the college campus has a major outbreak and it is left to spread, the students will infect custodians, health care workers, res life staff, people who work at the post office, people who work at the drug store; and anyone asymptomatic and not quarantined will spread it to employees at the library, the bookstore, Starbucks; to their parents and grandparents and cousins and sisters and brothers if they live near campus and visit -- then those people will spread it in the rest oft he town.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to be the devil's advocate here. First off, I full support wearing masks. That being said, is it terrible if the kids get mild cases of COVID? This would help us to achieve herd immunity, right? I don't want for the students to put their professors at risk. They can do online learning from their dorm rooms. Dorm workers should be given adequate PPE. If professors and dorm workers can be protected, is there any great harm done?

No country has achieved her immunity.

It was take 80% infected. Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people would die to get us to that proportion????

The number for herd immunity is not known at this time, and is lowered by things like mask-wearing and social-distancing. A community that wears masks regularly will likely achieve herd immunity at a much lower level than 80%.

Anyone advocating for herd immunity should get themselves and their loved ones infected first. Remember herd immunity starts with YOU.

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Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

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Anonymous wrote:http://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/notre-dame-students-share-coronavirus-testing-struggles

I saw this article on reddit. What a disaster.

Wow.

This matches what is being said on Twitter and on campus. They are in over their heads.

Schools planned to handle SMALL outbreaks. They never counted on needing to test thousands of people daily.

I think this is true. I think since it's a pretty small student body, and most are on campus, they really thought the outbreaks would be small - which would mean smaller circles of people needing to be testing. Instead the outbreak is larger, so you have exponentially larger numbers of tests needed.
They're working with U of I to get access to their rapid tests, which could be a game changer if it works (both the relationship and the actual test).
So far I don't think anything is out of what could be expected - and certainly some is true and some is pure drama - but I feel like they are sort of out the tipping point. Fingers crossed they can erign it all in.

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Which was attended by several freshmen.

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Anonymous wrote:A disproportionate number of business majors are reported to be positive. No word yet on any major hall spread.

That's because they're the ones with the time to go to all the parties instead of actually studying

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Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

Not sure if this is true or not, but they have a lot more off campus students this year than usual, since so many students who normally would be on study abroad programs are back in South Bend. And it doesn't really matter if it's an off campus or on campus student (or ND, SMC, or HCC student for that matter) - it still puts the community at risk.

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Notre Dame is even worse since they tested students before returning!! Yikes.

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It was the swab test.

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Anonymous wrote:A disproportionate number of business majors are reported to be positive. No word yet on any major hall spread.

That's because they're the ones with the time to go to all the parties instead of actually studying

Also my experience.

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My business associate drove his freshman son to Notre Dame several weeks ago. Freshman son told his Dad he was sad he would not be able to look at the girls due to mask wearing.

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They have tested 927 people 147 are positive that's 15% not looking good and yes some football players are in quarantine.

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Anonymous wrote:It's mostly an issue among off campus students.

That is not accurate. It was an issue of off-campus parties. More than a third of the cases were tied to one off-campus party.

People keep mentioning the off-campus party. It doesn't matter. Students will be students, and students will live off campus and throw parties. There's no way to stop this. And there's no way for officials to monitor all the off-campus gatherings that are going on. The numbers are growing exponentially. ND will shut down by the end of this week, guaranteed.
https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

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Notre Dame did not reduce density in its residence halls, which are mostly traditional ones with doubles, triples, and quads, all sharing large communal bathrooms. That is going to make it much harder to contain the spread, no matter how much money they throw at testing and cleaning. I really hope they succeed, since if a rich and well-run university like ND can’t pull this off, it doesn’t bode well for other universities. Very few schools have the resources or the control over their students that ND does.

—ND alum