It blows my mind that there isn't more agitation about the school issue

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't it seem to you as if most non-parents (including teachers) expect parents to just suck it up and accept that schools can't open and that our children's educations is going to be lacking this year?

It blows my mind that the same people who rant against reopening schools because of safety ALSO rant against people hiring tutors because of privilege.

What do they want parents to do?! This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know the answer to this. Pretty much everyone agrees that distance learning in the spring was a disaster for most kids. It certainly wasn't great for my own kids. IF they learned anything (big if), it's because my husband and I took time out of our workdays to teach them.

I hired someone for $75/hr and made the mistake of mentioning this on an online parenting group that I'm in when a question was posted asking how people are planning to work and do online schooling at the same time. Most of these people have younger kids than I do and they expect their daycare centers to be open. They also think public schools should be closed because "there's no way public schools can social distance." Such hypocrites.

We make decent money and we are good at saving. We should sacrifice our kids' educations because...why exactly? Because other people don't make as much money? What are you supposed to use your savings for if not in an emergency?

They think I should give up my job and home school my kids full time (which is what distance learning requires with them - full time supervision to make sure they are actually working and not goofing off) because I'm a woman?

I just want to know what the naysayers want us parents to do. Can't open schools because of Covid, even in states where cases are low (like ours in NY). But you also can't allow parents to hire private teachers because not everyone can do it? Why don't these people care about private schools then? WTF

This seems to be exactly what many people seem to think. The sexism I've seen over the past 4 months is astounding. The impacts of this pandemic on women in the workforce will be felt for many, many years.

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And there is happy hour??? From the other post. That just makes me so incredibly angry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have a mental problem, OP. You really do. Most others don't agree with you. Those making the decisions also don't agree with you. What psychological issue do you have that you just can't accept that?

You have no way of knowing most others disagree with OP, and your over the top and nasty response does your position no favors.

Everyone I know disagrees with the OP. Those in charge of the schools also disagree with her. That's a lot.

I can't wait for the fringe nut jobs like Betsy DeVos to go back to being nobodys. January 2021 can't come soon enough. Let normal people reassert than majority say in how things are done, instead of the crazies.

Huh. So "most others" means everyone you personally know? Maybe you are not the best person to be assessing the quality of education.

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Anonymous wrote:People aren't agitating because most people do not care about the education of kids at all. It's fairly obvious the years of upcoming DL (and do not fool yourselves into thinking it will be less than that) will have a devastating and wildly disparate educational impact. But the sad reality is that most people in this country do not care, regardless of whether they have kids or not.

If we cared about the education of children, reopening schools would be prioritized over bars and restaurants. People wouldn't go to their beach vacations and be advocating for DL at the same time.

But we don't care about education. So it's horrifically bad DL for years. Most kids will be permanently behind educationally.

Actually, people aren’t agitating because most want to continue working from home and now employers can’t require that they return.

Why on earth do you think employers won't mandate a return? Many already have and they do not care at all whether someone has kids at home who aren't learning.

The real answer is exactly up top. Very few actually care much about education.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not "agitating" because 1) I think it's reasonable to close schools in a pandemic and 2) I'm waiting to see if they do a better job this fall.

This

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I have been horrified at the way other parents have been acting. This is a PANDEMIC!!! If you are not an essential employee and if your job allows it, stay at home 24/7 and only leave when it’s absolutely necessary. This means *no* pods. Getting together with other children is going to make it even harder for schools to open up. This is not the time to be doing things halfway.

You are the kind of parent we do not want in our pod. Sorry.

LOL No, please, please let us into your pod!!! PLEASE!!!

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Anonymous wrote:You have a mental problem, OP. You really do. Most others don't agree with you. Those making the decisions also don't agree with you. What psychological issue do you have that you just can't accept that?

You have no way of knowing most others disagree with OP, and your over the top and nasty response does your position no favors.

Everyone I know disagrees with the OP. Those in charge of the schools also disagree with her. That's a lot.

I can't wait for the fringe nut jobs like Betsy DeVos to go back to being nobodys. January 2021 can't come soon enough. Let normal people reassert than majority say in how things are done, instead of the crazies.

Huh. So "most others" means everyone you personally know? Maybe you are not the best person to be assessing the quality of education.

Maybe not, but there's a reason things are going my way and not OP's way. Common sense says it's because more people want DL than not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have a mental problem, OP. You really do. Most others don't agree with you. Those making the decisions also don't agree with you. What psychological issue do you have that you just can't accept that?

You have no way of knowing most others disagree with OP, and your over the top and nasty response does your position no favors.

Everyone I know disagrees with the OP. Those in charge of the schools also disagree with her. That's a lot.

I can't wait for the fringe nut jobs like Betsy DeVos to go back to being nobodys. January 2021 can't come soon enough. Let normal people reassert than majority say in how things are done, instead of the crazies.

You’re lying. You know you know a lot of people who agree with op. They’re just staying away from you because they know you’re crazy.

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Thinking about it, I think part of the answer is that at heart many people want to pull their kids out of school because they want absolute rigid control over all aspects of their children's lives, and simultaneously they don't care about educational outcomes for other kids. They don't want their own kids to have an experience that isn't totally mediated by them. The pandemic lets them put that into action.

Have you ever read the stories of homeschool recovery online? They are heartfelt and sometimes very disturbing stories from adults reflecting back on their homeschooling childhood. In ten years, we are going to see the same things about these DL years.

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Anonymous wrote:You have a mental problem, OP. You really do. Most others don't agree with you. Those making the decisions also don't agree with you. What psychological issue do you have that you just can't accept that?

You have no way of knowing most others disagree with OP, and your over the top and nasty response does your position no favors.

Everyone I know disagrees with the OP. Those in charge of the schools also disagree with her. That's a lot.

I can't wait for the fringe nut jobs like Betsy DeVos to go back to being nobodys. January 2021 can't come soon enough. Let normal people reassert than majority say in how things are done, instead of the crazies.

Huh. So "most others" means everyone you personally know? Maybe you are not the best person to be assessing the quality of education.

Maybe not, but there's a reason things are going my way and not OP's way. Common sense says it's because more people want DL than not.

Oh honey.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not "agitating" because 1) I think it's reasonable to close schools in a pandemic and 2) I'm waiting to see if they do a better job this fall.

This

#1. I'l admit my kid is not in school yet, but I'm still mad at where we have ended up, on behalf of all parents in this country.

Still, I do not see another solution, short of having a reasonable national response to the virus, getting that under control, and making it safe / reasonable to have open schools. I don't see that happening. There is no political will, and many in the country don't think this is an important thing to do. I'm not sure having specific counties "doing well" is enough, because things change pretty quickly.

So, I'm not "agitating" because I don't know what I can do that would possibly be useful. I will vote in November.I'm seeking out ways I can help financially, such as PTA donations. Speaking out to my local school system is unlikely to be useful, because they do not have the resources to solve the problem that needs to be solved. Speaking out to my federal gov't reps feels totally useful.

So...OP, I hear you. I think people expect parents to 1) make the best choices they can for their family, while acknowledging the inequity and taking action against it if possible 2) Don't expect not to b judged. This is not pandemic specific, it is just parenting.

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Bars, restaurants, vacations and family gatherings were a priority over schools starting. It is how our economy operates.

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Anonymous wrote:You have a mental problem, OP. You really do. Most others don't agree with you. Those making the decisions also don't agree with you. What psychological issue do you have that you just can't accept that?

You have no way of knowing most others disagree with OP, and your over the top and nasty response does your position no favors.

Everyone I know disagrees with the OP. Those in charge of the schools also disagree with her. That's a lot.

I can't wait for the fringe nut jobs like Betsy DeVos to go back to being nobodys. January 2021 can't come soon enough. Let normal people reassert than majority say in how things are done, instead of the crazies.

WTF are you talking about? The OP said she is in New York. Their % of positive cases is under 1%! And they're testing over 80k people a day. They can't open their schools even though the Fauci, CDC, and APA all agree that it's best for kids if it can be done safely?

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/five-months-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-new-york-governor-cuomo-announces-highest-number

Plus that's not even OP's point. The real point is all the ranting about doing pods and hiring private teachers since schools can't be opened.

Again, wtf do you want parents to do? If schools can't open, then parents are on their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't it seem to you as if most non-parents (including teachers) expect parents to just suck it up and accept that schools can't open and that our children's educations is going to be lacking this year?

It blows my mind that the same people who rant against reopening schools because of safety ALSO rant against people hiring tutors because of privilege.

What do they want parents to do?! This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know the answer to this. Pretty much everyone agrees that distance learning in the spring was a disaster for most kids. It certainly wasn't great for my own kids. IF they learned anything (big if), it's because my husband and I took time out of our workdays to teach them.

I hired someone for $75/hr and made the mistake of mentioning this on an online parenting group that I'm in when a question was posted asking how people are planning to work and do online schooling at the same time. Most of these people have younger kids than I do and they expect their daycare centers to be open. They also think public schools should be closed because "there's no way public schools can social distance." Such hypocrites.

We make decent money and we are good at saving. We should sacrifice our kids' educations because...why exactly? Because other people don't make as much money? What are you supposed to use your savings for if not in an emergency?

They think I should give up my job and home school my kids full time (which is what distance learning requires with them - full time supervision to make sure they are actually working and not goofing off) because I'm a woman?

I just want to know what the naysayers want us parents to do. Can't open schools because of Covid, even in states where cases are low (like ours in NY). But you also can't allow parents to hire private teachers because not everyone can do it? Why don't these people care about private schools then? WTF

This seems to be exactly what many people seem to think. The sexism I've seen over the past 4 months is astounding. The impacts of this pandemic on women in the workforce will be felt for many, many years.

People even said it in this thread, that she should try to be less "selfish" and go part time! (grr).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't it seem to you as if most non-parents (including teachers) expect parents to just suck it up and accept that schools can't open and that our children's educations is going to be lacking this year?

It blows my mind that the same people who rant against reopening schools because of safety ALSO rant against people hiring tutors because of privilege.

What do they want parents to do?! This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know the answer to this. Pretty much everyone agrees that distance learning in the spring was a disaster for most kids. It certainly wasn't great for my own kids. IF they learned anything (big if), it's because my husband and I took time out of our workdays to teach them.

I hired someone for $75/hr and made the mistake of mentioning this on an online parenting group that I'm in when a question was posted asking how people are planning to work and do online schooling at the same time. Most of these people have younger kids than I do and they expect their daycare centers to be open. They also think public schools should be closed because "there's no way public schools can social distance." Such hypocrites.

We make decent money and we are good at saving. We should sacrifice our kids' educations because...why exactly? Because other people don't make as much money? What are you supposed to use your savings for if not in an emergency?

They think I should give up my job and home school my kids full time (which is what distance learning requires with them - full time supervision to make sure they are actually working and not goofing off) because I'm a woman?

I just want to know what the naysayers want us parents to do. Can't open schools because of Covid, even in states where cases are low (like ours in NY). But you also can't allow parents to hire private teachers because not everyone can do it? Why don't these people care about private schools then? WTF

This seems to be exactly what many people seem to think. The sexism I've seen over the past 4 months is astounding. The impacts of this pandemic on women in the workforce will be felt for many, many years.

People even said it in this thread, that she should try to be less "selfish" and go part time! (grr).

Yes. As if that isn't ALSO a solution that is only available to those with some privilege anyway?