Please don't talk to me about equity in schools ever again

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Anonymous wrote:You’ll get over it.

Just like we will get over Floyd’s death too?

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What is the point of money if not to live a better life with more? Money is a false construct to control consumption, I have more money so I get better stuff, more stuff and access to stuff poor people don't and it is that simple. No one really wants equity, people just don't want to be preordained losers any longer. Problem is more than 50% of this country are preordained losers but most don't realize it. You will notice 50% is more than any one demographic.

No one wants global equity either where the child labor in Vietnam makes as much as labor in America because then Polo shirts would cost 400$. What people want is White privilege to morph into American privilege so others can enjoy the American wealth ride before it fades under globalism. But White privilege isn't expandable because it has hoarded wealth for so long in so few hands. To expand it national it would require lower consumption across the spectrum and while it might be sustainable for a generation or two with credit, it would not only crush the environment but some other country would have to be exploited. Everyone in the world cant have a house and a bunch of cars with checks for life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the point of money if not to live a better life with more? Money is a false construct to control consumption, I have more money so I get better stuff, more stuff and access to stuff poor people don't and it is that simple. No one really wants equity, people just don't want to be preordained losers any longer. Problem is more than 50% of this country are preordained losers but most don't realize it. You will notice 50% is more than any one demographic.

No one wants global equity either where the child labor in Vietnam makes as much as labor in America because then Polo shirts would cost 400$. What people want is White privilege to morph into American privilege so others can enjoy the American wealth ride before it fades under globalism. But White privilege isn't expandable because it has hoarded wealth for so long in so few hands. To expand it national it would require lower consumption across the spectrum and while it might be sustainable for a generation or two with credit, it would not only crush the environment but some other country would have to be exploited. Everyone in the world cant have a house and a bunch of cars with checks for life.

To be honest White privilege has been sustained by credit for the past generation or two

[Anonymous]

All of OP’s complaints are based on this assumption: that low-income and/or minority communities want and need their children in in-person school even more than everyone else does.

I don’t think this assumption is necessarily true. We can’t debate the question if we can’t agree on the premise.

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Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader did fine in DL. Yes, there was more review than I liked, but the kids worked hard. That combined with all the supplemental courses she takes definitely kept her busy. She loves writing even more than before!

I am more concerned about the number of kids who went AWOL. I'd say at least 1/3 of her class never attended zoom. That speaks to parents having other priorities, not able to help or not respecting education.

DCUM's gonna DCUM. 1/3 of the kids in the PP's kid's class went AWOL last spring during "distance learning," and the PP's response is not "this is terrible, what can MCPS do so this doesn't happen again?" but rather "their parents are bad parents!"

Yes. You must no be a parent if you don’t know/understand the responsibilities of being a parent. One responsibility is to make sure your DC attends school/class whether it’s in-person or DL.

I am a parent of 3, and my DCs went AWOL the last half of the spring. We are a high income well educated family. DC went AWOL because DL sucks and wasn’t worth it. I also have another DC who is deaf and doesn’t do well on DL platforms like zoom. That DC also went AWOL because it was unhelpful.

Stop acting like DL is an acceptable substitute for in person learning or that parents who opt out don’t care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader did fine in DL. Yes, there was more review than I liked, but the kids worked hard. That combined with all the supplemental courses she takes definitely kept her busy. She loves writing even more than before!

I am more concerned about the number of kids who went AWOL. I'd say at least 1/3 of her class never attended zoom. That speaks to parents having other priorities, not able to help or not respecting education.

DCUM's gonna DCUM. 1/3 of the kids in the PP's kid's class went AWOL last spring during "distance learning," and the PP's response is not "this is terrible, what can MCPS do so this doesn't happen again?" but rather "their parents are bad parents!"

Yes. You must no be a parent if you don’t know/understand the responsibilities of being a parent. One responsibility is to make sure your DC attends school/class whether it’s in-person or DL.

I am a parent of 3, and my DCs went AWOL the last half of the spring. We are a high income well educated family. DC went AWOL because DL sucks and wasn’t worth it. I also have another DC who is deaf and doesn’t do well on DL platforms like zoom. That DC also went AWOL because it was unhelpful.

Stop acting like DL is an acceptable substitute for in person learning or that parents who opt out don’t care.

THIS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader did fine in DL. Yes, there was more review than I liked, but the kids worked hard. That combined with all the supplemental courses she takes definitely kept her busy. She loves writing even more than before!

I am more concerned about the number of kids who went AWOL. I'd say at least 1/3 of her class never attended zoom. That speaks to parents having other priorities, not able to help or not respecting education.

DCUM's gonna DCUM. 1/3 of the kids in the PP's kid's class went AWOL last spring during "distance learning," and the PP's response is not "this is terrible, what can MCPS do so this doesn't happen again?" but rather "their parents are bad parents!"

Yes. You must no be a parent if you don’t know/understand the responsibilities of being a parent. One responsibility is to make sure your DC attends school/class whether it’s in-person or DL.

I am a parent of 3, and my DCs went AWOL the last half of the spring. We are a high income well educated family. DC went AWOL because DL sucks and wasn’t worth it. I also have another DC who is deaf and doesn’t do well on DL platforms like zoom. That DC also went AWOL because it was unhelpful.

Stop acting like DL is an acceptable substitute for in person learning or that parents who opt out don’t care.

THIS!

Don’t forget that in-person public schools fail a lot of learners, too, and that some kids thrived on the flexibility of DL in the spring. We’re all making assumptions based on the experiences of our own children. Public Ed has to attempt to meet the needs of every child. Many of us have been dissatisfied over the years. DL may be a lot more challenging for some students, but it isn’t the bogeyman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader did fine in DL. Yes, there was more review than I liked, but the kids worked hard. That combined with all the supplemental courses she takes definitely kept her busy. She loves writing even more than before!

I am more concerned about the number of kids who went AWOL. I'd say at least 1/3 of her class never attended zoom. That speaks to parents having other priorities, not able to help or not respecting education.

I really hope you're referring to the priorities of keeping a roof over their family's head, food on the table, contributing to retirement/college funds, paying for life insurance, earning credits for social security, etc. That is what you meant, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the point of money if not to live a better life with more? Money is a false construct to control consumption, I have more money so I get better stuff, more stuff and access to stuff poor people don't and it is that simple. No one really wants equity, people just don't want to be preordained losers any longer. Problem is more than 50% of this country are preordained losers but most don't realize it. You will notice 50% is more than any one demographic.

No one wants global equity either where the child labor in Vietnam makes as much as labor in America because then Polo shirts would cost 400$. What people want is White privilege to morph into American privilege so others can enjoy the American wealth ride before it fades under globalism. But White privilege isn't expandable because it has hoarded wealth for so long in so few hands. To expand it national it would require lower consumption across the spectrum and while it might be sustainable for a generation or two with credit, it would not only crush the environment but some other country would have to be exploited. Everyone in the world cant have a house and a bunch of cars with checks for life.

this! no one actually is yelling for Equity they are yelling for more for themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Don’t forget that in-person public schools fail a lot of learners, too, and that some kids thrived on the flexibility of DL in the spring. We’re all making assumptions based on the experiences of our own children. Public Ed has to attempt to meet the needs of every child. Many of us have been dissatisfied over the years. DL may be a lot more challenging for some students, but it isn’t the bogeyman.

formerly known as "school"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader did fine in DL. Yes, there was more review than I liked, but the kids worked hard. That combined with all the supplemental courses she takes definitely kept her busy. She loves writing even more than before!

I am more concerned about the number of kids who went AWOL. I'd say at least 1/3 of her class never attended zoom. That speaks to parents having other priorities, not able to help or not respecting education.

DCUM's gonna DCUM. 1/3 of the kids in the PP's kid's class went AWOL last spring during "distance learning," and the PP's response is not "this is terrible, what can MCPS do so this doesn't happen again?" but rather "their parents are bad parents!"

Yes. You must no be a parent if you don’t know/understand the responsibilities of being a parent. One responsibility is to make sure your DC attends school/class whether it’s in-person or DL.

Blaming "bad parents" makes you feel better, probably, but how does it help the kids of "bad parents"?

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly it is of no concern to anyone. The kids whose parents can afford private school tuition or to hire a MCPS teacher on LOA for their POD can get education this year. The kids whose parents are educated and SAH/can work from home will get somewhat of an education. The rest will get nothing and noone cares.

EVERYONE CARES. Individual parents can't redress the broader inequities on their own, and they're just trying to do the best they can for their own kids. School districts are trying as best they can with limited resources and no clear guidance. There are no good answers here because we are in an unprecedented crisis.

It's not true that everyone cares, but many people do care.

PP here. Maybe not *everyone* but the OP is being melodramatic with this "no one cares" bullshit. People are working extremely hard to do the best they can. We're in a terrible no-win situation. Every teacher I know is heartsick over it. They don't want their students to get a sub-par education, but there's just no good way to bring them back to school in-person. People aren't just happily skipping away from the public school system without a care in the world - it's terrible for everyone.

Of course there is a way to bring them back in person, hybrid. We can look to many of the districts to our north as examples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the point of money if not to live a better life with more? Money is a false construct to control consumption, I have more money so I get better stuff, more stuff and access to stuff poor people don't and it is that simple. No one really wants equity, people just don't want to be preordained losers any longer. Problem is more than 50% of this country are preordained losers but most don't realize it. You will notice 50% is more than any one demographic.

No one wants global equity either where the child labor in Vietnam makes as much as labor in America because then Polo shirts would cost 400$. What people want is White privilege to morph into American privilege so others can enjoy the American wealth ride before it fades under globalism. But White privilege isn't expandable because it has hoarded wealth for so long in so few hands. To expand it national it would require lower consumption across the spectrum and while it might be sustainable for a generation or two with credit, it would not only crush the environment but some other country would have to be exploited. Everyone in the world cant have a house and a bunch of cars with checks for life.

this! no one actually is yelling for Equity they are yelling for more for themselves.

Speak for yourself. I am quite upset that a third of public school students didn’t even participate in remote in the spring and the teacher’s union doesn’t even care. My kids are in private, so doesn’t affect me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly it is of no concern to anyone. The kids whose parents can afford private school tuition or to hire a MCPS teacher on LOA for their POD can get education this year. The kids whose parents are educated and SAH/can work from home will get somewhat of an education. The rest will get nothing and noone cares.

The hell do you mean by that?! Somewhat?! FU!

NP. I don’t understand why you took such umbrage to that post. I’m educated, so I can somewhat teach my kids, but I’m not a trained teacher or familiar with pedagogy, so I probably won’t be as effective as a real teacher would be. PP’s comment makes sense to me.

Is it the SAH piece? It seems to reason that families with a SAHP, or parents with very flexible jobs, will have an easier time managing their children’s access to MCPS classes and/or providing their own learning opportunities.

You may not like the reality pointed out in the PP, but it seems logical and hardly something to get really upset about.

"Educated" parents are hopefully resourceful, too. My kids learned more at home for many reasons, most of all because I continued supplementing as I have from the start. Some call it after-schooling. I call it filling the gaps. You get what you pay for and I can't swing private, but I am educated as well as resourceful.

+1. DL means that there is way more time to supplement, and there are so many free ways to do that now!

And who really cares about the kids who aren’t able to participate in remote or have parents who can‘t supplement, amirite?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly it is of no concern to anyone. The kids whose parents can afford private school tuition or to hire a MCPS teacher on LOA for their POD can get education this year. The kids whose parents are educated and SAH/can work from home will get somewhat of an education. The rest will get nothing and noone cares.

The hell do you mean by that?! Somewhat?! FU!

NP. I don’t understand why you took such umbrage to that post. I’m educated, so I can somewhat teach my kids, but I’m not a trained teacher or familiar with pedagogy, so I probably won’t be as effective as a real teacher would be. PP’s comment makes sense to me.

Is it the SAH piece? It seems to reason that families with a SAHP, or parents with very flexible jobs, will have an easier time managing their children’s access to MCPS classes and/or providing their own learning opportunities.

You may not like the reality pointed out in the PP, but it seems logical and hardly something to get really upset about.

If you know these words and understand their meanings, I'm pretty sure you can figure out how to keep your child's brain from turning to mush.

That’s my point. That’s what the PP I first responded to said and I didn’t understand why some other poster took such offense.

So how does a family with two parents who work essential jobs outside the home accomplish this? Both jobs are required to pay the bills, both jobs hours basically 8am-5/6pm. Children are 1st and 2nd grade. New to area with no family to help.