The return of the feminine business attire uniform

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Anonymous wrote:I disliked Hillary for so many reasons, but her sticking to the black pantsuit with different blouses gets an A+ from me. Pelosi is older, and they have different expectations of workwear. She probably also buys and affords the every expensive pantyhose that don't run as much. If you don't mind putting on the pantyhose, it's a very simple thing -- two items.

At a certain point in your life you figure out what works for you and you just go buy it in every color.

Pelosi (80) isn’t that much older than Clinton (72).

Generationally and culturally, they’re miles apart. Pelosi had five kids by the time she was thirty and spent twenty years as a housewife. She has said she would have loved to go to law school and have a career as an attorney (and even took the LSAT) but that was not an opportunity afforded to most women like her at the time. Eight years later, Hillary did have that opportunity. The cultural space between silent gen women and boomer women is huge and can be seen in many manifestations (style expectations is one).

Plus one. Pelosi is part of the same generation as Madeleine Albright, another women who got married and raised kids and followed her husband after college and then went back to school and entered politics later.

I remember a reporter asking Pelosi why she doesn’t give her paycheck away like Trump does (since her husband’s rich). In her response, she said something along the lines of “I don’t know if you can grasp what it means to women of my generation to have money that has my name and not Mrs. Paul Pelosi.” She also often talks about how we need to do more to hire SAHM trying to re enter the workforce. Pelosi’s feminist identity (and those of women like her) is shaped from a radically different life experience than Hillary’s (and women more like her).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to make a dress the uniform. That requires pantyhose. Pantyhose and tights are the work of the devil. Why can't we have pants be the uniform for women, too.

Why on earth do you consider pantyhose and tights the work of the devil? You have options that accomplish the same look.

I like my skirts and my pants and my dresses and my shorts. If you aren’t comfortable in skirts, fine. But there is nothing wrong with wearing a skirt.

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I like dresses way more than pants. I wear a navy or black cap sleeved dress pretty much every day. In the winter, I usually add a corresponding blazer.

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I only wear dress suits. I think suits on women are not flattering. Why should women wear something made for men? I have quit a few dress suits and they really look different with different accessories.

I never wear pants though and don’t think they flatter me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I disliked Hillary for so many reasons, but her sticking to the black pantsuit with different blouses gets an A+ from me. Pelosi is older, and they have different expectations of workwear. She probably also buys and affords the every expensive pantyhose that don't run as much. If you don't mind putting on the pantyhose, it's a very simple thing -- two items.

At a certain point in your life you figure out what works for you and you just go buy it in every color.

Pelosi (80) isn’t that much older than Clinton (72).

Generationally and culturally, they’re miles apart. Pelosi had five kids by the time she was thirty and spent twenty years as a housewife. She has said she would have loved to go to law school and have a career as an attorney (and even took the LSAT) but that was not an opportunity afforded to most women like her at the time. Eight years later, Hillary did have that opportunity. The cultural space between silent gen women and boomer women is huge and can be seen in many manifestations (style expectations is one).

Plus one. Pelosi is part of the same generation as Madeleine Albright, another women who got married and raised kids and followed her husband after college and then went back to school and entered politics later.

I remember a reporter asking Pelosi why she doesn’t give her paycheck away like Trump does (since her husband’s rich). In her response, she said something along the lines of “I don’t know if you can grasp what it means to women of my generation to have money that has my name and not Mrs. Paul Pelosi.” She also often talks about how we need to do more to hire SAHM trying to re enter the workforce. Pelosi’s feminist identity (and those of women like her) is shaped from a radically different life experience than Hillary’s (and women more like her).

I’m technically a boomer but this is very similar to my experience and the cultural milieu I grew up in. There’s a special kind of empowerment (along with the challenges) that comes from entering the workforce later in life. I also find myself overdressing constantly just because the expectations of how women should dress at work have changed in my lifetime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disliked Hillary for so many reasons, but her sticking to the black pantsuit with different blouses gets an A+ from me. Pelosi is older, and they have different expectations of workwear. She probably also buys and affords the every expensive pantyhose that don't run as much. If you don't mind putting on the pantyhose, it's a very simple thing -- two items.

At a certain point in your life you figure out what works for you and you just go buy it in every color.

Pelosi (80) isn’t that much older than Clinton (72).

Generationally and culturally, they’re miles apart. Pelosi had five kids by the time she was thirty and spent twenty years as a housewife. She has said she would have loved to go to law school and have a career as an attorney (and even took the LSAT) but that was not an opportunity afforded to most women like her at the time. Eight years later, Hillary did have that opportunity. The cultural space between silent gen women and boomer women is huge and can be seen in many manifestations (style expectations is one).

Plus one. Pelosi is part of the same generation as Madeleine Albright, another women who got married and raised kids and followed her husband after college and then went back to school and entered politics later.

I remember a reporter asking Pelosi why she doesn’t give her paycheck away like Trump does (since her husband’s rich). In her response, she said something along the lines of “I don’t know if you can grasp what it means to women of my generation to have money that has my name and not Mrs. Paul Pelosi.” She also often talks about how we need to do more to hire SAHM trying to re enter the workforce. Pelosi’s feminist identity (and those of women like her) is shaped from a radically different life experience than Hillary’s (and women more like her).

Yeah and Feinstein and Albright were shaped by the fact that they both entered political careers as divorced single moms.

[Anonymous]

The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to make a dress the uniform. That requires pantyhose. Pantyhose and tights are the work of the devil. Why can't we have pants be the uniform for women, too.

Why on earth do you consider pantyhose and tights the work of the devil? You have options that accomplish the same look.

I like my skirts and my pants and my dresses and my shorts. If you aren’t comfortable in skirts, fine. But there is nothing wrong with wearing a skirt.

Easy fix: don't wear pantyhose. I mostly wear dresses and skirts to work but I don't wear pantyhose. In the winter I wear fleece lined tights which are amazing and comfortable.

I disagree with the premise of this thread though, that business casual is dead. It just got new life, actually, bc of the wfh norm. It doesn't make sense for people in offices to zoom people at home while one wears a suit and the other wears a t shirt. That's just weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

Hmm, if this is feminism, count me out of the movement. I prefer to embrace my curves. You think good-looking men don't take advantage of their looks in the workplace?

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

Thanks for rephrasing my "take," but it is what it is. A dress this form fitting is too revealing for work in anyone younger.

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

Here is AOC in a dress that is nearly identical to Pelosi's. Despite being fifty years younger than Pelosi, this dress doesn't appear revealing at all and that's mostly because there isn't really anything for it to hug. It looks different on Pelosi (in part because it's better tailored) because she has curves and presumably did when she was thirty as well. It's still the exact same dress cut. This is the same attitude we see in schools that apply the dress code disproportionally towards developed teens. We need to stop seeing clothes this way because it makes it impossible for women with some semblance of a body to find chic clothes that aren't considered by some to be NSFW.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

Hmm, if this is feminism, count me out of the movement. I prefer to embrace my curves. You think good-looking men don't take advantage of their looks in the workplace?

Take advantage of their looks?
So wearing a sexy dress in the workplace is taking advantage of your looks? Yeah, no. Jacket over the sheath dress it is. I'll take advantage of my brain and other non-sexual attributes in the workplace.

[Anonymous]

^^Thank you. I don't think body shaming is part of feminism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

Hmm, if this is feminism, count me out of the movement. I prefer to embrace my curves. You think good-looking men don't take advantage of their looks in the workplace?

Take advantage of their looks?
So wearing a sexy dress in the workplace is taking advantage of your looks? Yeah, no. Jacket over the sheath dress it is. I'll take advantage of my brain and other non-sexual attributes in the workplace.

The fact that you consider a sheath dress sexual is disturbing.