Quebec is sending kids back to school-here are the conditions

[Anonymous]

New Evidence on kids is mixed, here are links, but google more. - Here is thread and on new NIH study

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/status/1258394515053961223?s=12

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01354-0

This is the most controversial new study - controversial in that it says they do not spread and most in science want more robust studies. And controversial in that Swiss say kids under 10 (pre-puberty) can hug grandparents.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200504/new-swiss-studies-children-may-transmit-covid-19

Here are others
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/children-may-not-be-coronavirus-super-spreaders-australian-study-1.4923748

here are countries opening in europe with their phasing

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/children-as-likely-to-spread-coronavirus-as-adults-says-scientist



Again, hopefully the science and data will provide more answers for the US by Aug / September especially with all these schools opening up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is nuts and too restrictive. I’m all or nothing. Either send the kids back just like before covid or don’t

Seriously? Nothing will be the same anymore. I work at a major consulting firm and they are ready to change our entire work world as we know it. Get ready for big changes to schools. I agree it sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:-To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest to Berlin street entrance (on all 3 floors, if needed only);
-Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats
-Students must expect to regroup based on the number of students returning
-Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates;
-Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school
-Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government
-Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded
-No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home and school
-Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in which to collect their personal garbage to dispose of at home
-All students must bring in their personal, labelled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available
-Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted
-When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors & will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a pre-arranged pattern
-Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted
-Limited travel within the school by all throughout the day
-Bathrooms visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by outside caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities
-As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided. Students are certainly welcome to bring these items from home. They are invited to carry their personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish
-Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind their chair they will be using and their schoolbag under their assigned chair
-There will be no cafeteria service or home & school pizza and frozen yogurt days
-There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes
-No fundraisers or after school activities will take place
-Parent volunteers will not be permitted in schools
-We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read
-Student with fever or flu like symptoms will be returned home

It sounds pretty draconian, especially the part about staying in their assigned seat for the entire day.

I went to a Christian school for elementary and middle. My 1st grade class was very similar to this. We sat in our chairs all day long and even for lunch. At lunch time we couldn't talk we listened to cartoon type tapes. We did have recess which was where we finally had freedom. Our bathroom breaks were escorted visits until about 3rd or 4th grade. It works for some kids, but for others it's really not helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my take on this, if MCPS tried to implement it:

Anonymous wrote:-To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest to Berlin street entrance (on all 3 floors, if needed only);
-Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats
-Students must expect to regroup based on the number of students returning
-Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates; Larla can’t be in a different class from Charla! They have been best friends since daycare. Separating them will be traumatic.
-Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school Lazy teachers! Such wusses. My neighbor has lupus and is working hard 20 hours a day, licking doorknobs in a pork processing plant.
-Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government No, they won’t. They will get paid to do nothing. Lazy AF. Replace them with my unemployed brother in law. He’s only stoned in the evening and that girl said she was 20.
-Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded complete DCUM meltdown unfit to print even here, but entailing Larla’s chances are HYPS being completely ruined
-No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home and school But Larla needs her wubby.
-Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in which to collect their personal garbage to dispose of at home I don’t want that in my car. Why can’t you just put a red medical waste disposal unit in every classroom?

LOL This is hysterical. SO TRUE, too!
-All students must bring in their personal, labelled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available
-Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted Thank Goodness! I spent $2978.11 on bespoke school supplies last August and the teacher mixed them in with supplies from Target.
-When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors & will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a pre-arranged pattern Why can’t Larla chose her own pattern? You are stifling her creative expression.
-Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted Even at lunch? You monsters.
-Limited travel within the school by all throughout the day But Larla needs to go visit Mrs. C because she’s the only adult that truly understands her.
-Bathrooms visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by outside caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities Larla can’t go if an adult is outside the door.
-As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided. Students are certainly welcome to bring these items from home. They are invited to carry their personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish My taxes pay for those already. Teachers should buy them with all of those Target gift cards they got during TAW.
-Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind their chair they will be using and their schoolbag under their assigned chair Larla won’t be comfortable with that.
-There will be no cafeteria service or home & school pizza and frozen yogurt days Why even bother to come to school, then?
-There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes Such a repressive atmosphere.
-No fundraisers or after school activities will take place How will I maintain my place in the mom pecking order?
-Parent volunteers will not be permitted in schools But how can I monitor and judge the staff and other students.
-We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read We’ll send an iPad.
-Student with fever or flu like symptoms will be returned home I won’t be there. I gained the COVID 15 (ounces) and will be at the gym.

It sounds pretty draconian, especially the part about staying in their assigned seat for the entire day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is nuts and too restrictive. I’m all or nothing. Either send the kids back just like before covid or don’t

Seriously? Nothing will be the same anymore. I work at a major consulting firm and they are ready to change our entire work world as we know it. Get ready for big changes to schools. I agree it sucks.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is nuts and too restrictive. I’m all or nothing. Either send the kids back just like before covid or don’t

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How on earth do you keep young kids in their seats the entire day? I’m all for being cautious but some of these measures just seem a bit nuts.

I’m a middle school teacher and this would not work for my students either. I don’t think they would even keep their masks on all day.

Mandatory masks is a complete non-starter. The mask controversy is a massive issue. The science of mask effectiveness in anything but settled, to say the least. What is settled is that masks are extremely unhealthy to wear long-term, and even short term. Oxygen deprivation, material contamination, CO2 inhalation, re-circulating virus and bacteria back into your lungs -- forget it, no way. If masks are mandatory there will be such an uproar. MCPS can throw me in jail for not sending my kids to school before I would force them to wear masks all day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my take on this, if MCPS tried to implement it:

Anonymous wrote:-To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest to Berlin street entrance (on all 3 floors, if needed only);
-Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats
-Students must expect to regroup based on the number of students returning
-Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates; Larla can’t be in a different class from Charla! They have been best friends since daycare. Separating them will be traumatic.
-Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school Lazy teachers! Such wusses. My neighbor has lupus and is working hard 20 hours a day, licking doorknobs in a pork processing plant.
-Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government No, they won’t. They will get paid to do nothing. Lazy AF. Replace them with my unemployed brother in law. He’s only stoned in the evening and that girl said she was 20.
-Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded complete DCUM meltdown unfit to print even here, but entailing Larla’s chances are HYPS being completely ruined
-No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home and school But Larla needs her wubby.
-Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in which to collect their personal garbage to dispose of at home I don’t want that in my car. Why can’t you just put a red medical waste disposal unit in every classroom?

LOL This is hysterical. SO TRUE, too!
-All students must bring in their personal, labelled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available
-Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted Thank Goodness! I spent $2978.11 on bespoke school supplies last August and the teacher mixed them in with supplies from Target.
-When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors & will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a pre-arranged pattern Why can’t Larla chose her own pattern? You are stifling her creative expression.
-Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted Even at lunch? You monsters.
-Limited travel within the school by all throughout the day But Larla needs to go visit Mrs. C because she’s the only adult that truly understands her.
-Bathrooms visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by outside caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities Larla can’t go if an adult is outside the door.
-As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided. Students are certainly welcome to bring these items from home. They are invited to carry their personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish My taxes pay for those already. Teachers should buy them with all of those Target gift cards they got during TAW.
-Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind their chair they will be using and their schoolbag under their assigned chair Larla won’t be comfortable with that.
-There will be no cafeteria service or home & school pizza and frozen yogurt days Why even bother to come to school, then?
-There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes Such a repressive atmosphere.
-No fundraisers or after school activities will take place How will I maintain my place in the mom pecking order?
-Parent volunteers will not be permitted in schools But how can I monitor and judge the staff and other students.
-We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read We’ll send an iPad.
-Student with fever or flu like symptoms will be returned home I won’t be there. I gained the COVID 15 (ounces) and will be at the gym.

It sounds pretty draconian, especially the part about staying in their assigned seat for the entire day.

fEW aMericans will put up with this, look at the protestors we've had already and many of them had children with them unmasked and not social distancing. What do you do if a child does not comply, call the police, drage them out of there? There are going to be law suits and protests everywhere if this was attempted to implement. Who the hell would want to be a teacher either?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my take on this, if MCPS tried to implement it:

Anonymous wrote:-To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest to Berlin street entrance (on all 3 floors, if needed only);
-Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats
-Students must expect to regroup based on the number of students returning
-Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates; Larla can’t be in a different class from Charla! They have been best friends since daycare. Separating them will be traumatic.
-Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school Lazy teachers! Such wusses. My neighbor has lupus and is working hard 20 hours a day, licking doorknobs in a pork processing plant.
-Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government No, they won’t. They will get paid to do nothing. Lazy AF. Replace them with my unemployed brother in law. He’s only stoned in the evening and that girl said she was 20.
-Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded complete DCUM meltdown unfit to print even here, but entailing Larla’s chances are HYPS being completely ruined
-No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home and school But Larla needs her wubby.


-Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in which to collect their personal garbage to dispose of at home I don’t want that in my car. Why can’t you just put a red medical waste disposal unit in every classroom?

LOL This is hysterical. SO TRUE, too!
-All students must bring in their personal, labelled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available
-Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted Thank Goodness! I spent $2978.11 on bespoke school supplies last August and the teacher mixed them in with supplies from Target.
-When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors & will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a pre-arranged pattern Why can’t Larla chose her own pattern? You are stifling her creative expression.
-Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted Even at lunch? You monsters.
-Limited travel within the school by all throughout the day But Larla needs to go visit Mrs. C because she’s the only adult that truly understands her.
-Bathrooms visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by outside caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities Larla can’t go if an adult is outside the door.
-As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided. Students are certainly welcome to bring these items from home. They are invited to carry their personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish My taxes pay for those already. Teachers should buy them with all of those Target gift cards they got during TAW.
-Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind their chair they will be using and their schoolbag under their assigned chair Larla won’t be comfortable with that.
-There will be no cafeteria service or home & school pizza and frozen yogurt days Why even bother to come to school, then?
-There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes Such a repressive atmosphere.
-No fundraisers or after school activities will take place How will I maintain my place in the mom pecking order?
-Parent volunteers will not be permitted in schools But how can I monitor and judge the staff and other students.
-We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read We’ll send an iPad.
-Student with fever or flu like symptoms will be returned home I won’t be there. I gained the COVID 15 (ounces) and will be at the gym.

It sounds pretty draconian, especially the part about staying in their assigned seat for the entire day.

fEW aMericans will put up with this, look at the protestors we've had already and many of them had children with them unmasked and not social distancing. What do you do if a child does not comply, call the police, drage them out of there? There are going to be law suits and protests everywhere if this was attempted to implement. Who the hell would want to be a teacher either?

True enough mockery. Karen richly deserves the shaming. More potent though if delivered with a tad less vitriol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my take on this, if MCPS tried to implement it:

Anonymous wrote:-To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest to Berlin street entrance (on all 3 floors, if needed only);
-Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats
-Students must expect to regroup based on the number of students returning
-Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates; Larla can’t be in a different class from Charla! They have been best friends since daycare. Separating them will be traumatic.
-Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school Lazy teachers! Such wusses. My neighbor has lupus and is working hard 20 hours a day, licking doorknobs in a pork processing plant.
-Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government No, they won’t. They will get paid to do nothing. Lazy AF. Replace them with my unemployed brother in law. He’s only stoned in the evening and that girl said she was 20.
-Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded complete DCUM meltdown unfit to print even here, but entailing Larla’s chances are HYPS being completely ruined
-No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home and school But Larla needs her wubby.
-Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in which to collect their personal garbage to dispose of at home I don’t want that in my car. Why can’t you just put a red medical waste disposal unit in every classroom?

LOL This is hysterical. SO TRUE, too!
-All students must bring in their personal, labelled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available
-Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted Thank Goodness! I spent $2978.11 on bespoke school supplies last August and the teacher mixed them in with supplies from Target.
-When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors & will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a pre-arranged pattern Why can’t Larla chose her own pattern? You are stifling her creative expression.
-Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted Even at lunch? You monsters.
-Limited travel within the school by all throughout the day But Larla needs to go visit Mrs. C because she’s the only adult that truly understands her.
-Bathrooms visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by outside caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities Larla can’t go if an adult is outside the door.
-As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided. Students are certainly welcome to bring these items from home. They are invited to carry their personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish My taxes pay for those already. Teachers should buy them with all of those Target gift cards they got during TAW.
-Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind their chair they will be using and their schoolbag under their assigned chair Larla won’t be comfortable with that.
-There will be no cafeteria service or home & school pizza and frozen yogurt days Why even bother to come to school, then?
-There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes Such a repressive atmosphere.
-No fundraisers or after school activities will take place How will I maintain my place in the mom pecking order?
-Parent volunteers will not be permitted in schools But how can I monitor and judge the staff and other students.
-We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read We’ll send an iPad.
-Student with fever or flu like symptoms will be returned home I won’t be there. I gained the COVID 15 (ounces) and will be at the gym.

It sounds pretty draconian, especially the part about staying in their assigned seat for the entire day.

fEW aMericans will put up with this, look at the protestors we've had already and many of them had children with them unmasked and not social distancing. What do you do if a child does not comply, call the police, drage them out of there? There are going to be law suits and protests everywhere if this was attempted to implement. Who the hell would want to be a teacher either?

Americans don't have to put up with it. This is happening in Quebec.

[Anonymous]

“Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded“

I wonder if they are grading assignments done at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is nuts and too restrictive. I’m all or nothing. Either send the kids back just like before covid or don’t

Seriously? Nothing will be the same anymore. I work at a major consulting firm and they are ready to change our entire work world as we know it. Get ready for big changes to schools. I agree it sucks.

Seriously? Maybe you guys should hire a consult to bring you into this century! LOL
You are acting as if telework arrangements are some rare and odd thing and no one ever was doing that before March 2020. As if web conferences and video conferencing was some obscure oddity. If you weren’t doing these things before March 2020, you all were out of the loop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded“

I wonder if they are grading assignments done at home.

Not sure about Quebec, but for Ontario their marks before they left for March break (when the schools shut down) will be their grade for the year. The online learning portion can only be used to increase their grade. Fun part in Ontario is that we have not received any report cards or progress reports this year due to ongoing teacher strikes. Can be hard to motivate your typically straight A student to do any of the online learning when it is not required and will not impact their grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest to Berlin street entrance (on all 3 floors, if needed only);
-Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats
-Students must expect to regroup based on the number of students returning
-Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates;
-Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school
-Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government
-Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded
-No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home and school
-Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in which to collect their personal garbage to dispose of at home
-All students must bring in their personal, labelled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available
-Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted
-When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors & will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a pre-arranged pattern
-Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted
-Limited travel within the school by all throughout the day
-Bathrooms visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by outside caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities
-As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided. Students are certainly welcome to bring these items from home. They are invited to carry their personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish
-Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind their chair they will be using and their schoolbag under their assigned chair
-There will be no cafeteria service or home & school pizza and frozen yogurt days
-There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes
-No fundraisers or after school activities will take place
-Parent volunteers will not be permitted in schools
-We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read
-Student with fever or flu like symptoms will be returned home

It sounds pretty draconian, especially the part about staying in their assigned seat for the entire day.

I went to a Christian school for elementary and middle. My 1st grade class was very similar to this. We sat in our chairs all day long and even for lunch. At lunch time we couldn't talk we listened to cartoon type tapes. We did have recess which was where we finally had freedom. Our bathroom breaks were escorted visits until about 3rd or 4th grade. It works for some kids, but for others it's really not helpful.

I went to public school in Bowie for elementary for First and Second grades in the 1960's. It was Tulip Grove Elementary and had just been built. We were expected to sit in our chairs all day in the classroom. We had a short recess in the morning. We might have had a short recess in the afternoon.
We were expected as students to sit in our chairs. There were no group activities. Desks were lined up in rows with space in between. We had the same desk every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who is fairly close to what is going on in Quebec - the rules listed and much of what is happening is political.

The school boards are adamantly against re-opening. They do not feel they can provide a decent education safely. They have been overruled and told they don't have any say. They have been told that if they put enough conditions and changes in place then it is safe.

So they are making a lot of rules to demonstrate their frustration at being forced to open against their own beliefs about what it right. These lists are intended to send a message to government.

That makes perfect sense, then. Make it so draconian and unreasonable that it will be doomed to fail and immediately anger and activate parents of SN students. The PTA and other overly involved moms will keep their children home.