Aaron Hernandez Netflix

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Anonymous wrote:i think it was because his coach Urban Meyer did not want him back on the team and suggested he try to get drafted by the NFL.

I mean probably, but why?

my husband claimed that Meyer warned the Pats NOT to draft him. says he read it somewhere.

It feels like they all knew they had a ticking time bomb on their hands.

I think so, too. AH was the Patriots 4th round draft pick. If you read the brother's book, it says that he and AH were waiting two (?) days and did not understand why AH was not yet drafted. I believe he was drafted on the third or fourth day. They seemed oblivious that AH's behaviors could actually be a problem - this probably transpires when one grows up in a volatile and hostile home - that was their "normal".

Scouting reports listed AH's "maturity" (or a similar trait measure) as "low", and the Patriots were understandably apprehensive, but took AH on his word when AH was called into Kraft's office (promising that he wouldn't be a "problem", essentially). The Patriots withheld singing bonuses contingent on AH's good behavior. He was actually let go under "behavior unbecoming", which is an NFL standard, not a Patriots standard.

But yes, he was a ticking time bomb, which is would many feared. His hostile behaviors started when he was young, and only became worse. Of course, extreme CTE did not help. In addition, his dad had a criminal background, which derailed his own football dream years earlier, so (IMO) AH wanted to "prove" that he could be both a thug and an NFL superstar - he wanted to make his dad proud on both counts.

So many facets to the story, and kind of compelling, given that he had such talent, and the world seemingly in his hands at such a young age. His mom was a piece of work.

Draft is only 2 days.

Always?

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I agree that I thought there was way too much focus on his sexuality, especially since he’s no longer here to advocate for himself. Seemed salacious and took away from my belief in the reporting.
I also thought it was interesting the way he spoke to his fiancée on the phone. They reminded me of high schoolers the way they spoke to each other, nothing particularly deep or emotional except for her first call to him in jail when he was crying. He came across extremely immature and almost child like from what I would expect from a man earning $40 million in a billion dollar industry.
Like a thug with no education that got invited to the Met gala and was trying to fit in. He had no chance and probably why he kept going home to CT and his cousins small house and his low level friends. He just wasn’t up to par with how Tom Brady, Tim Tebow could socialize, speak well in interviews, and carry themselves.
I imagine he was acutely aware of this and went back to what he knew: the thugs he grew up with.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that I thought there was way too much focus on his sexuality, especially since he’s no longer here to advocate for himself. Seemed salacious and took away from my belief in the reporting.
I also thought it was interesting the way he spoke to his fiancée on the phone. They reminded me of high schoolers the way they spoke to each other, nothing particularly deep or emotional except for her first call to him in jail when he was crying. He came across extremely immature and almost child like from what I would expect from a man earning $40 million in a billion dollar industry.
Like a thug with no education that got invited to the Met gala and was trying to fit in. He had no chance and probably why he kept going home to CT and his cousins small house and his low level friends. He just wasn’t up to par with how Tom Brady, Tim Tebow could socialize, speak well in interviews, and carry themselves.
I imagine he was acutely aware of this and went back to what he knew: the thugs he grew up with.

AH's sexuality may have played into why AH killed Odin Lloyd, and perhaps others of his victims.

AH's brother confirmed that AH was either gay or bi. They had to hide it from their dad, who was homophobic (perhaps gay/bi himself?). AH threatened to kill his brother if his brother brought the question (of AH's sexuality) to AH again.

AH also questioned, more than once, if people are born gay or "become gay" - he was truly ignorant, and wondering in the context of AH's having been sexually abused (many times, as a young boy).

While I agree the coverage seemed salacious, the question of AH's sexuality was also quite pertinent.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that I thought there was way too much focus on his sexuality, especially since he’s no longer here to advocate for himself. Seemed salacious and took away from my belief in the reporting.
I also thought it was interesting the way he spoke to his fiancée on the phone. They reminded me of high schoolers the way they spoke to each other, nothing particularly deep or emotional except for her first call to him in jail when he was crying. He came across extremely immature and almost child like from what I would expect from a man earning $40 million in a billion dollar industry.
Like a thug with no education that got invited to the Met gala and was trying to fit in. He had no chance and probably why he kept going home to CT and his cousins small house and his low level friends. He just wasn’t up to par with how Tom Brady, Tim Tebow could socialize, speak well in interviews, and carry themselves.
I imagine he was acutely aware of this and went back to what he knew: the thugs he grew up with.

AH's sexuality may have played into why AH killed Odin Lloyd, and perhaps others of his victims.

AH's brother confirmed that AH was either gay or bi. They had to hide it from their dad, who was homophobic (perhaps gay/bi himself?). AH threatened to kill his brother if his brother brought the question (of AH's sexuality) to AH again.

AH also questioned, more than once, if people are born gay or "become gay" - he was truly ignorant, and wondering in the context of AH's having been sexually abused (many times, as a young boy).

While I agree the coverage seemed salacious, the question of AH's sexuality was also quite pertinent.

PP again. The court decided not to bring it into the proceedings, because they did not want to out him, understandably.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think it was because his coach Urban Meyer did not want him back on the team and suggested he try to get drafted by the NFL.

I mean probably, but why?

my husband claimed that Meyer warned the Pats NOT to draft him. says he read it somewhere.

It feels like they all knew they had a ticking time bomb on their hands.

I think so, too. AH was the Patriots 4th round draft pick. If you read the brother's book, it says that he and AH were waiting two (?) days and did not understand why AH was not yet drafted. I believe he was drafted on the third or fourth day. They seemed oblivious that AH's behaviors could actually be a problem - this probably transpires when one grows up in a volatile and hostile home - that was their "normal".

Scouting reports listed AH's "maturity" (or a similar trait measure) as "low", and the Patriots were understandably apprehensive, but took AH on his word when AH was called into Kraft's office (promising that he wouldn't be a "problem", essentially). The Patriots withheld singing bonuses contingent on AH's good behavior. He was actually let go under "behavior unbecoming", which is an NFL standard, not a Patriots standard.

But yes, he was a ticking time bomb, which is would many feared. His hostile behaviors started when he was young, and only became worse. Of course, extreme CTE did not help. In addition, his dad had a criminal background, which derailed his own football dream years earlier, so (IMO) AH wanted to "prove" that he could be both a thug and an NFL superstar - he wanted to make his dad proud on both counts.

So many facets to the story, and kind of compelling, given that he had such talent, and the world seemingly in his hands at such a young age. His mom was a piece of work.

Draft is only 2 days.

Always?

Meant to say 3 days. And yes.

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Why are people saying he was violent from a young age? I don't recall anything in the documentary that talks about AH acting violent toward others prior to his father passing away. Were there instances of this?

The documentary also didn't really discuss specific instances when he had suffered from concussions. I thought there would be more evidence of this - it felt thin.

On the gay/bi-sexual thing - I think it was important to shine light on this. I didn't find it salacious at all. Having the other Patriots player speak about his experience as an in-the-closet player was eye-opening.

One thing I wonder about is if the NFL did have to make a payout to his daughter. Feels like a loose end there too.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people saying he was violent from a young age? I don't recall anything in the documentary that talks about AH acting violent toward others prior to his father passing away. Were there instances of this?

The documentary also didn't really discuss specific instances when he had suffered from concussions. I thought there would be more evidence of this - it felt thin.

On the gay/bi-sexual thing - I think it was important to shine light on this. I didn't find it salacious at all. Having the other Patriots player speak about his experience as an in-the-closet player was eye-opening.

One thing I wonder about is if the NFL did have to make a payout to his daughter. Feels like a loose end there too.

I thought no because his conviction was upheld last year. His conviction is what the Pats used as to why he wasn’t eligible for his bonuses. His Fiancé sued for the money under the original law that his conviction would be vacated. When the MA supreme court upheld his conviction, and changed their law, wouldn’t the lawsuit against the NFL/Patriots be moot?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think it was because his coach Urban Meyer did not want him back on the team and suggested he try to get drafted by the NFL.

I mean probably, but why?

my husband claimed that Meyer warned the Pats NOT to draft him. says he read it somewhere.

It feels like they all knew they had a ticking time bomb on their hands.

I think so, too. AH was the Patriots 4th round draft pick. If you read the brother's book, it says that he and AH were waiting two (?) days and did not understand why AH was not yet drafted. I believe he was drafted on the third or fourth day. They seemed oblivious that AH's behaviors could actually be a problem - this probably transpires when one grows up in a volatile and hostile home - that was their "normal".

Scouting reports listed AH's "maturity" (or a similar trait measure) as "low", and the Patriots were understandably apprehensive, but took AH on his word when AH was called into Kraft's office (promising that he wouldn't be a "problem", essentially). The Patriots withheld singing bonuses contingent on AH's good behavior. He was actually let go under "behavior unbecoming", which is an NFL standard, not a Patriots standard.

But yes, he was a ticking time bomb, which is would many feared. His hostile behaviors started when he was young, and only became worse. Of course, extreme CTE did not help. In addition, his dad had a criminal background, which derailed his own football dream years earlier, so (IMO) AH wanted to "prove" that he could be both a thug and an NFL superstar - he wanted to make his dad proud on both counts.

So many facets to the story, and kind of compelling, given that he had such talent, and the world seemingly in his hands at such a young age. His mom was a piece of work.

Draft is only 2 days.

AH was drafted 4th round, not 4th day.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people saying he was violent from a young age? I don't recall anything in the documentary that talks about AH acting violent toward others prior to his father passing away. Were there instances of this?

The documentary also didn't really discuss specific instances when he had suffered from concussions. I thought there would be more evidence of this - it felt thin.

On the gay/bi-sexual thing - I think it was important to shine light on this. I didn't find it salacious at all. Having the other Patriots player speak about his experience as an in-the-closet player was eye-opening.

One thing I wonder about is if the NFL did have to make a payout to his daughter. Feels like a loose end there too.

+1

Agree.

PP here. I may have gleaned the acting violent aspect from his brother's book (which I rad right after watching the show). The tone of the book seemed very honest and "wanting to set the record straight" from Jonathan (formerly DJ). A specific example was when Jonathan mentioned that AH would "black out" and get violent ie: when they were quite young, AH would chase and beat Jonathan (who was older, but smaller, for the most part) with the video game controller if AH was losing. AH described it to his brother as having blacked out, and neither understood, except to say that violent behavior ran in the family. The dad had a criminal past, and perhaps the mom, too (the latter was not expounded upon). I do not think that AH's temper was addressed in the Netflix program, except in the context of drugs (mostly paranoia and reactive behavior) and CTE. It seemed perhaps the "black outs" were a product of having ben sexually abused several times over AH's young years.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think it was because his coach Urban Meyer did not want him back on the team and suggested he try to get drafted by the NFL.

I mean probably, but why?

my husband claimed that Meyer warned the Pats NOT to draft him. says he read it somewhere.

It feels like they all knew they had a ticking time bomb on their hands.

I think so, too. AH was the Patriots 4th round draft pick. If you read the brother's book, it says that he and AH were waiting two (?) days and did not understand why AH was not yet drafted. I believe he was drafted on the third or fourth day. They seemed oblivious that AH's behaviors could actually be a problem - this probably transpires when one grows up in a volatile and hostile home - that was their "normal".

Scouting reports listed AH's "maturity" (or a similar trait measure) as "low", and the Patriots were understandably apprehensive, but took AH on his word when AH was called into Kraft's office (promising that he wouldn't be a "problem", essentially). The Patriots withheld singing bonuses contingent on AH's good behavior. He was actually let go under "behavior unbecoming", which is an NFL standard, not a Patriots standard.

But yes, he was a ticking time bomb, which is would many feared. His hostile behaviors started when he was young, and only became worse. Of course, extreme CTE did not help. In addition, his dad had a criminal background, which derailed his own football dream years earlier, so (IMO) AH wanted to "prove" that he could be both a thug and an NFL superstar - he wanted to make his dad proud on both counts.

So many facets to the story, and kind of compelling, given that he had such talent, and the world seemingly in his hands at such a young age. His mom was a piece of work.

Draft is only 2 days.

AH was drafted 4th round, not 4th day.

I stand corrected, thank you. PP here. The brothers were waiting rounds for AH to be drafted, not days. Makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think it was because his coach Urban Meyer did not want him back on the team and suggested he try to get drafted by the NFL.

I mean probably, but why?

my husband claimed that Meyer warned the Pats NOT to draft him. says he read it somewhere.

It feels like they all knew they had a ticking time bomb on their hands.

I think so, too. AH was the Patriots 4th round draft pick. If you read the brother's book, it says that he and AH were waiting two (?) days and did not understand why AH was not yet drafted. I believe he was drafted on the third or fourth day. They seemed oblivious that AH's behaviors could actually be a problem - this probably transpires when one grows up in a volatile and hostile home - that was their "normal".

Scouting reports listed AH's "maturity" (or a similar trait measure) as "low", and the Patriots were understandably apprehensive, but took AH on his word when AH was called into Kraft's office (promising that he wouldn't be a "problem", essentially). The Patriots withheld singing bonuses contingent on AH's good behavior. He was actually let go under "behavior unbecoming", which is an NFL standard, not a Patriots standard.

But yes, he was a ticking time bomb, which is would many feared. His hostile behaviors started when he was young, and only became worse. Of course, extreme CTE did not help. In addition, his dad had a criminal background, which derailed his own football dream years earlier, so (IMO) AH wanted to "prove" that he could be both a thug and an NFL superstar - he wanted to make his dad proud on both counts.

So many facets to the story, and kind of compelling, given that he had such talent, and the world seemingly in his hands at such a young age. His mom was a piece of work.

Draft is only 2 days.

Always?

Meant to say 3 days. And yes.

3?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people saying he was violent from a young age? I don't recall anything in the documentary that talks about AH acting violent toward others prior to his father passing away. Were there instances of this?

The documentary also didn't really discuss specific instances when he had suffered from concussions. I thought there would be more evidence of this - it felt thin.

On the gay/bi-sexual thing - I think it was important to shine light on this. I didn't find it salacious at all. Having the other Patriots player speak about his experience as an in-the-closet player was eye-opening.

One thing I wonder about is if the NFL did have to make a payout to his daughter. Feels like a loose end there too.

I thought no because his conviction was upheld last year. His conviction is what the Pats used as to why he wasn’t eligible for his bonuses. His Fiancé sued for the money under the original law that his conviction would be vacated. When the MA supreme court upheld his conviction, and changed their law, wouldn’t the lawsuit against the NFL/Patriots be moot?

Wondering about this, too. Couldn't the daughter have about $15m in signing bonuses and payments? That wife was shady AF - happy to be a beard (which is one thing), but her ability to willingly make knowingly crucial evidence disappear......

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*willingly and knowingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people saying he was violent from a young age? I don't recall anything in the documentary that talks about AH acting violent toward others prior to his father passing away. Were there instances of this?

The documentary also didn't really discuss specific instances when he had suffered from concussions. I thought there would be more evidence of this - it felt thin.

On the gay/bi-sexual thing - I think it was important to shine light on this. I didn't find it salacious at all. Having the other Patriots player speak about his experience as an in-the-closet player was eye-opening.

One thing I wonder about is if the NFL did have to make a payout to his daughter. Feels like a loose end there too.

I thought no because his conviction was upheld last year. His conviction is what the Pats used as to why he wasn’t eligible for his bonuses. His Fiancé sued for the money under the original law that his conviction would be vacated. When the MA supreme court upheld his conviction, and changed their law, wouldn’t the lawsuit against the NFL/Patriots be moot?

Wondering about this, too. Couldn't the daughter have about $15m in signing bonuses and payments? That wife was shady AF - happy to be a beard (which is one thing), but her ability to willingly make knowingly crucial evidence disappear......

I believe the money would have gone to his estate. But that again was contingent on his conviction being vacated and it was not. I’m assuming the NFL refused to pay until MA decided on his conviction being vacated or upheld. If it had been thrown out I’m still not sure his daughter would have profited. The families of his victims sued his estate. I believe they would the first in line along with other creditors. When I was looking up his conviction being upheld, I saw that his fiancé had sued for a homestead exemption to ensure that 500k from the sale of his house was protected from the victims and given to the daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people saying he was violent from a young age? I don't recall anything in the documentary that talks about AH acting violent toward others prior to his father passing away. Were there instances of this?

The documentary also didn't really discuss specific instances when he had suffered from concussions. I thought there would be more evidence of this - it felt thin.

On the gay/bi-sexual thing - I think it was important to shine light on this. I didn't find it salacious at all. Having the other Patriots player speak about his experience as an in-the-closet player was eye-opening.

One thing I wonder about is if the NFL did have to make a payout to his daughter. Feels like a loose end there too.

I thought no because his conviction was upheld last year. His conviction is what the Pats used as to why he wasn’t eligible for his bonuses. His Fiancé sued for the money under the original law that his conviction would be vacated. When the MA supreme court upheld his conviction, and changed their law, wouldn’t the lawsuit against the NFL/Patriots be moot?

Wondering about this, too. Couldn't the daughter have about $15m in signing bonuses and payments? That wife was shady AF - happy to be a beard (which is one thing), but her ability to willingly make knowingly crucial evidence disappear......

I believe the money would have gone to his estate. But that again was contingent on his conviction being vacated and it was not. I’m assuming the NFL refused to pay until MA decided on his conviction being vacated or upheld. If it had been thrown out I’m still not sure his daughter would have profited. The families of his victims sued his estate. I believe they would the first in line along with other creditors. When I was looking up his conviction being upheld, I saw that his fiancé had sued for a homestead exemption to ensure that 500k from the sale of his house was protected from the victims and given to the daughter.

Was the homestead exemption successful? How much do you think the daughter received? How about the wife (in reality)? Did the victims families settle with the estate for an undisclosed sum (weren't they seeking about $6m)?

Wondering.