Top 10 college chances

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Anonymous wrote:My son is at TJ and his post sophomore year GPA is 4.30. Has 3 b+ so far ( 2 from math ) and 1 in Spanish. SAT score is 1550.Very good extra curriculars. Wondering how these 3 B+ grades will affect the top 10 college chances.

The 75th percentile for median GPA was a 4.49 for UVA for entering students (not those accepted, which is a higher figure, but those who actually showed up) for fall 2019. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Even the median 50th percentile for entering students is higher than a 4.30.

Two thirds has. First, UVA is more forgiving on GPA for TJ. They know the drill and about grade deflation, and that things like AP Wprld History and first year AP CS and AP Physics below C aren’t an option. So, TJ has a lower GPA requirement. Plus, they don’t weight DT, PE, Langauage. It’s hard to get more than one AP in sophomore year— because again, no AP into Cs. No AP WH. You are looking at graduating GPAs. General rule of thing at TJ is+.1 for each of senior and and junior years, maybe a bit less, if you stay on your trajectory. The 4.3 kid probably graduates with a 4.45.

The stat is meaningless. Big public colleges have more students from public schools that have inflated GPAs sometimes from inferior schools that private colleges that have more student with lower GPAs from elite private high schools. Without looking at the underlying data or at least by school data it’s meaningless
That may be true, but the 4.49 for 75th percentile is for those students who actually showed up to UVA last fall. The stats of the ACCEPTED students are much higher. High stats TJ students, and McLean and Langley students high stats students, used to use UVA as a safety while they tried for Ivies. Those days are over.

Where do those numbers come from? Lots of private school kids go to UVA with GPA's that cannot be above 4 so I doubt that is a number from UVA itself. So is it from one of the public schools mentioned?

Although a year old, it's from the school's "Common Data Set" 99% of schools provide information via this report. The most recent report for UVA shows incoming freshman with average GPA of 4.30 with 85% of kids reporting. Who knows about the other 15%...international? Athletes?

Harvard reports an average GPA of 4.18 in its CDS. UVA is 4.3. UNC-CH is 4.7. One can only conclude UNC-CH is much more selective than Harvard.

I’m from Mc and that’s a weird stat. UNC has very restricted OOS admissions. Unless it’s changed recently, 85% of admits must be from in state. But NC public education sucks (says the product of Nc public education). And it’s been getting worse recently. The standards are so high OOS. Like Ivy high. But you would be shocked by who can get in from in state. Especially since UNC is in research triangle which is most of the good schools. So, for kids there, it’s like going to Mason. Hey! I’m going to the college where my mom teaches.

Stanford average CDS GPA is 3.95, so it is crushed in selectivity by all of the schools above.

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There is no uniform standard for weighting GPAs.

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Accepted VT and UVA Engineering from MD 5 years go DS 3.7 unweighted GPA Maryland W high school. ACT & SAT high scores especially in math. Nothing special on his application except part time job. He didn't do many clubs or extras. Older sibling was a HOkIE.

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Anonymous wrote:Accepted VT and UVA Engineering from MD 5 years go DS 3.7 unweighted GPA Maryland W high school. ACT & SAT high scores especially in math. Nothing special on his application except part time job. He didn't do many clubs or extras. Older sibling was a HOkIE.

I’m not sure what this says about top 10 colleges, admissions to VT post the disaster admit class of 2023, or how VT tech looks at the (extremely strange) TJ Math semester track. But congrats?

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Kids with B+ in math classes below BC Calc were told by VT they might have tough time getting into VT Engineering this year.

I doubt VT "told" them this.

Were you in the room when the admissions Rep came to TJ? My DD was.

My DC attended VT visit at TJ this year. When I asked him, he said he didn't remember anything like that (maybe he wasn't paying attention, but I doubt it). To be honest, if VT blindly rejects TJ kids with a B+ in math, then it's really sad because most of these B+ students would have easily earned an A at their base school ( I know that because I also have an older DD who was not that strong in math and still breezed thru BC with A while my DS, who is much stronger in math, struggled mightily and had to work extra hard for his B+ in BC).

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Kids with B+ in math classes below BC Calc were told by VT they might have tough time getting into VT Engineering this year.

I doubt VT "told" them this.

Were you in the room when the admissions Rep came to TJ? My DD was.

My DC attended VT visit at TJ this year. When I asked him, he said he didn't remember anything like that (maybe he wasn't paying attention, but I doubt it). To be honest, if VT blindly rejects TJ kids with a B+ in math, then it's really sad because most of these B+ students would have easily earned an A at their base school ( I know that because I also have an older DD who was not that strong in math and still breezed thru BC with A while my DS, who is much stronger in math, struggled mightily and had to work extra hard for his B+ in BC).

I agree with your point. But TJ does need to distinguish the math geniuses from the smart kids in some way for college purposes.

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Kids with B+ in math classes below BC Calc were told by VT they might have tough time getting into VT Engineering this year.

I doubt VT "told" them this.

Were you in the room when the admissions Rep came to TJ? My DD was.

My DC attended VT visit at TJ this year. When I asked him, he said he didn't remember anything like that (maybe he wasn't paying attention, but I doubt it). To be honest, if VT blindly rejects TJ kids with a B+ in math, then it's really sad because most of these B+ students would have easily earned an A at their base school ( I know that because I also have an older DD who was not that strong in math and still breezed thru BC with A while my DS, who is much stronger in math, struggled mightily and had to work extra hard for his B+ in BC).

I agree with your point. But TJ does need to distinguish the math geniuses from the smart kids in some way for college purposes.

Distinguishing a math genius from a smart kid is fine, but (if true) for VT engineering not to be interested in a kid with a B+ in math from TJ is pretty frustrating.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t do top 10 heavy on applications. Diversify and look into 11-50.

I heard at Notre Dame, even those with top HS science and math grades and scores might have to choose a non-stem major (literature, poly sci) b/c engineering is so tough.

This is incorrect. At Notre Dame, you do not apply to the Engineering School or any other school besides the Mendoza School of Business. And even then, you apply for "approval" at Mendoza. You can not get approval, but still be accepted to ND. It is very flexible. My son applied as a math major and was accepted, but he could easily move to engineering or any other major other than business. Even then, if he really wanted business, he could apply and see if he is accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it great that we allow private institutions to decide how to assemble a class of students that reflects their institutional goals?

Call it what you want it is still discrimination.

I guess nonlegacies are being discriminated against as well .

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My son is interested in good premedical programs and is Asian.

Send your kid to a top SLAC that’s strong in the sciences. They love TJ kids and would take those stats in a heartbeat. Your kid will have small classes, be taught by full professors, have great access to internships, not fight grad students for research. And the med school placements are great. Plus, many are actively recruiting Asians.

This is your answer OP. SLACs - even the top ones (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, etc) love TJ students - especially males. And many have excellent pre-med programs with very high rates od med school admissions.

But, first, see how he does junior year because junior year at TJ is notoriously difficult.

Mom of recent TJ grad with 4.5+ WGPA (4.0 unweighted)

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Anonymous wrote:My son is at TJ and his post sophomore year GPA is 4.30. Has 3 b+ so far ( 2 from math ) and 1 in Spanish. SAT score is 1550.Very good extra curriculars. Wondering how these 3 B+ grades will affect the top 10 college chances.

The 75th percentile for median GPA was a 4.49 for UVA for entering students (not those accepted, which is a higher figure, but those who actually showed up) for fall 2019. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Even the median 50th percentile for entering students is higher than a 4.30.

Two thirds has. First, UVA is more forgiving on GPA for TJ. They know the drill and about grade deflation, and that things like AP Wprld History and first year AP CS and AP Physics below C aren’t an option. So, TJ has a lower GPA requirement. Plus, they don’t weight DT, PE, Langauage. It’s hard to get more than one AP in sophomore year— because again, no AP into Cs. No AP WH. You are looking at graduating GPAs. General rule of thing at TJ is+.1 for each of senior and and junior years, maybe a bit less, if you stay on your trajectory. The 4.3 kid probably graduates with a 4.45.

That may be true, but the 4.49 for 75th percentile is for those students who actually showed up to UVA last fall. The stats of the ACCEPTED students are much higher. High stats TJ students, and McLean and Langley students high stats students, used to use UVA as a safety while they tried for Ivies. Those days are over.

Where do those numbers come from? Lots of private school kids go to UVA with GPA's that cannot be above 4 so I doubt that is a number from UVA itself. So is it from one of the public schools mentioned?

From SCHEV . https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Plug in the name of the Virginia School and SCHEV gives you the entering class GPA, SAT and ACT scores.

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Kids with B+ in math classes below BC Calc were told by VT they might have tough time getting into VT Engineering this year.

I doubt VT "told" them this.

Were you in the room when the admissions Rep came to TJ? My DD was.

My DC attended VT visit at TJ this year. When I asked him, he said he didn't remember anything like that (maybe he wasn't paying attention, but I doubt it). To be honest, if VT blindly rejects TJ kids with a B+ in math, then it's really sad because most of these B+ students would have easily earned an A at their base school ( I know that because I also have an older DD who was not that strong in math and still breezed thru BC with A while my DS, who is much stronger in math, struggled mightily and had to work extra hard for his B+ in BC).

I think you're minding the math below BC part.

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^^^ missing, not minding. I have no clue how that happened

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Ever vigilant and diligent SCHEV poster, I got a 404 on that link you posted.

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Kids with B+ in math classes below BC Calc were told by VT they might have tough time getting into VT Engineering this year.

I doubt VT "told" them this.

Were you in the room when the admissions Rep came to TJ? My DD was.

My DC attended VT visit at TJ this year. When I asked him, he said he didn't remember anything like that (maybe he wasn't paying attention, but I doubt it). To be honest, if VT blindly rejects TJ kids with a B+ in math, then it's really sad because most of these B+ students would have easily earned an A at their base school ( I know that because I also have an older DD who was not that strong in math and still breezed thru BC with A while my DS, who is much stronger in math, struggled mightily and had to work extra hard for his B+ in BC).

I think you're minding the math below BC part.

No, DC said he didn't hear anything about a minimum grade in any math level to make it into VT engineering. Regardless, dismissing a TJ student who "only" earned a B+ in math 3,4 or 5, without looking at any other factor, would be disappointing because these B+ math students are probably just as strong as the A math student at base school. Just my 2 cents.