Top 10 college chances

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it great that we allow private institutions to decide how to assemble a class of students that reflects their institutional goals?

Call it what you want it is still discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What constitute "top 10" and why do you want to go "there" - seems pretty superficial when you don't define the schools or compare programs or attributes.

Thought the entire point of TJ WAS to go to a top 10 college!! Especially MIT and Stanford

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it great that we allow private institutions to decide how to assemble a class of students that reflects their institutional goals?

Call it what you want it is still discrimination.

If there are 1000 qualified students and only 50 spaces, then the institution can create any criteria they want to select the 50. It's not discrimination against the other 950 students who don't meet the criteria. Say the school decided they wanted one kids from each state, but 500 kids applied from Maryland. It's not discrimination against Maryland if they still took only 1 student. For any college selection process, you are competing against students most like you. The more unique you are, the better your chances. If TJ was 98% URM and 2% White and Asian, then the White and Asian kids would be the unicorns and would stand out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it great that we allow private institutions to decide how to assemble a class of students that reflects their institutional goals?

Call it what you want it is still discrimination.

If there are 1000 qualified students and only 50 spaces, then the institution can create any criteria they want to select the 50. It's not discrimination against the other 950 students who don't meet the criteria. Say the school decided they wanted one kids from each state, but 500 kids applied from Maryland. It's not discrimination against Maryland if they still took only 1 student. For any college selection process, you are competing against students most like you. The more unique you are, the better your chances. If TJ was 98% URM and 2% White and Asian, then the White and Asian kids would be the unicorns and would stand out.

Of course it IS discrimination against an overabundance of applicants from MD if MD is overly represented in the applicant pool. This is simple math. Sorry it eludes you
Remember, racism is perfectly acceptable if conducted by the Left. Treating someone as a "unicorn" on the basis of some immutable characteristic is likely prejudicial discrimination whether you admit to it or not (unless that characteristic has some intrinsic value).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What constitute "top 10" and why do you want to go "there" - seems pretty superficial when you don't define the schools or compare programs or attributes.

Thought the entire point of TJ WAS to go to a top 10 college!! Especially MIT and Stanford

The point is to get a better education by being surrounded by smart, interested students TJ admission generally doesn't help with college admissions.

[Anonymous]

OP here. My son is interested in good premedical programs and is Asian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough information. The odds are different depending on the applicant's race. Don't shoot the messenger; that's just the way it is.

I have a white TJ kid and you need to get off the Asian cross. Kids with B+ in math classes below BC Calc were told by VT they might have tough time getting into VT Engineering this year. It’s tough all over for college admissions. Plenty of 4.4-4.5 white kids getting rejected from the top 10s too. High performing UMC white kids are a dime and dozen in the DMV, and they aren’t taking your DC’s Harvard slot. There are just 100 exceptional kids for every Harvard slot.

Now, any given graduating class at TJ is 1-2% URM and 1-2% FARMs. A top 10% first gen, AA or Hispanic TJ kid could write their own ticket. Because they are unicorns. But that’s not what you meant, is it?

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. To answer the OP's question, the applicants race is an important detail.

If you have a kid at TJ, you know there are literally no AA or Hispanic kids there. 1.76% AA last year. And honestly, if you walk around the school, the number feels inflated. TJ has a diversity problem, and this is not breaking news. Statistically, once every 5 years TJ has an AA kid with those grades. And yes, that kid can choose any college they want. But I’d you are talking about reality, OP’s kid is white or Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What constitute "top 10" and why do you want to go "there" - seems pretty superficial when you don't define the schools or compare programs or attributes.

Thought the entire point of TJ WAS to go to a top 10 college!! Especially MIT and Stanford

I guess it is for some kids. For mine, it’s to access the tech program. Have you seen their prototyping lab? Different strokes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. My son is interested in good premedical programs and is Asian.

Send your kid to a top SLAC that’s strong in the sciences. They love TJ kids and would take those stats in a heartbeat. Your kid will have small classes, be taught by full professors, have great access to internships, not fight grad students for research. And the med school placements are great. Plus, many are actively recruiting Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. My son is interested in good premedical programs and is Asian.

Save money - go to a top-ranked state school but do summer research with harvard or stanford medical professors and publish papers - your kid will get into medical school - oh and dont forget to get straight As in college - that is probably the more important criteria for pre-med college choice - which university has highest prob of giving you high grades - same for law school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My son is interested in good premedical programs and is Asian.

Send your kid to a top SLAC that’s strong in the sciences. They love TJ kids and would take those stats in a heartbeat. Your kid will have small classes, be taught by full professors, have great access to internships, not fight grad students for research. And the med school placements are great. Plus, many are actively recruiting Asians.

Please name some examples of these colleges. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

If your kid is looking for an academic career, look to Swarthmore, Carleton, Grinnell, and Harvey Mudd. If not necessarily pre-academic, include also NESCAC schools, Macalester, Reed, etc. Look at NSF studies for top PhD producing undergraduate colleges.

[Anonymous]

Also, I don't think SLACs are actively recruiting Asians, but they are actively discriminating against them either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, I don't think SLACs are actively recruiting Asians, but they are actively discriminating against them either.

Some of the midwestern ones, like Macalaster are. That is one white campus.

OP— if you are full pay, those grades out of TJ, Davidson, Grinnell, Macalaster, and Oberlin come to mind as schools that are very strong in science and will give good merit for strong TJ grads which translates to less med school debt. West Coast, I believe Mudd or Claremont McKenna. Carleton and Swarthmore are also great, but no merit aid, except maybe a $2000 NMSF stipend. I’m a fan of Mac, because it’s such an amazing location in Minneapolis. Just perfect for college internships.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What constitute "top 10" and why do you want to go "there" - seems pretty superficial when you don't define the schools or compare programs or attributes.

Thought the entire point of TJ WAS to go to a top 10 college!! Especially MIT and Stanford

Absolutely! Who cares what kind of education you get there?

OP- what your kid wants to study will make a difference. How they write will make a difference. What they want from a school besides it’s rank will make a difference. And it will still be a crap shoot.