What does a youth soccer coach make per year?

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Alexandria ED does indeed make north of $300K.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organiz...2413/201811359349309756/IRS990

Yes, that is true, but his salary is comparable to other league - most of it is a bonus. Which leads me to wonder why such a bonus is necessary, if other leagues can retain talent without it. My kids play for Alexandria, and while I've been very happy with it generally, I'm irritated at being asked to help with fundraising when the league already has money lying around to pay this kind of a bonus. I'm busy and don't intend to put more any time into fundraising for ASA in the near future light of this.

Quick lesson. Clubs are not Leagues.

A league is a organization that club team play in. Alexandria is a club that has teams who play in leagues like CCL and EDP.

Distinction without a difference. I think the position on the floor is that no club head should make that money, though we have no idea what else may be compensable at other clubs (do people get to run their own training and camp services outside the club, etc). Of course, we could have this debate about every occupation and level in the global economy. It tends to bring out the worst in people. Privilege. Envy. Self-righteousness. Ulterior motives. Entitlement. Etc. Apparently this matters a lot to people who aren't at the club. Their motives are suspect and obvious. For those in the club, it is a legitimate question to ask, and properly directed to the Board, with appropriate reference to what other club heads make with similar obligations and performance.

That is all fine and good, just stop calling them leagues. People do this in other threads too and there is a difference, leagues don't pay coaches.

I'm confused. What is the above (bolded) is referring to? Did i miss something in this thread about that?

[Anonymous]

You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

[Anonymous]

I appreciate the desire to be thoughtful, but you have to start with total comp potential (or as we call it in the biz exposure) and work backwards. For example, we could start a nonprofit soccer club where you pay me a dollar as a director and I get to keep 50 cents of everything coming in the door. (I realize that you can't have a compensation plan like this in a nonprofit but this is for illustration purposes) Lets say we collect $1M. Am I underpaid relative to the other directors if my salary is $1, or am I overpaid relative to the other directors because my bonus plus salary (overall compensation) is $501K? The bonus/salary mix doesn't matter - my overall compensation has to be inline with other directors. So to prevent this from happening start with total comp potential and then develop the spilt between base and bonus potential. ProTip - never have any bonus with a limitless potential. Another ProTip: anyone involved with nonprofits should understand the rules.

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Every club has a Form 990. There should be no mystery to the market price for ED's. There are also factors that could impact the pay - like revenue, program size, etc. All found in the 990. If you have a board voting comp to someone that is 3X market, you have a negligent board.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every club has a Form 990. There should be no mystery to the market price for ED's. There are also factors that could impact the pay - like revenue, program size, etc. All found in the 990. If you have a board voting comp to someone that is 3X market, you have a negligent board.

Unless you have someone who does the job 3X as well. Talent costs.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the desire to be thoughtful, but you have to start with total comp potential (or as we call it in the biz exposure) and work backwards. For example, we could start a nonprofit soccer club where you pay me a dollar as a director and I get to keep 50 cents of everything coming in the door. (I realize that you can't have a compensation plan like this in a nonprofit but this is for illustration purposes) Lets say we collect $1M. Am I underpaid relative to the other directors if my salary is $1, or am I overpaid relative to the other directors because my bonus plus salary (overall compensation) is $501K? The bonus/salary mix doesn't matter - my overall compensation has to be inline with other directors. So to prevent this from happening start with total comp potential and then develop the spilt between base and bonus potential. ProTip - never have any bonus with a limitless potential. Another ProTip: anyone involved with nonprofits should understand the rules.[/quote

Thanks - I already have a CPA working for me but you can never have too many accountants. I think this is more of an economic question, especially if we are comparing club heads. Does he do whatever other club heads hire additional FTEs for? If so, not apples to apples. Do other clubs permit their heads to run other camps or training? If so, keeping it internal generates additional revenues and profit. I don’t think it’s quite as simple as simply comparing even comparably sized clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

There are 9.9 Scholarships in a fully funded D1 Mens Soccer program. It is difficult to get scholarship money because so much of it goes to international players.

"VA State Schools" covers a pretty wide range - are we talking UVA or VCU? Yes they are both D1, but they really are not comparable.

BTW, UVA has 6 Virginia residents on the roster, 5 from Europe, the rest 50/50 US versus Rest of World.

[Anonymous]

Clearly he is superhuman and doing 3x as much as every other director...not sure rationalizing is going to convince anyone. FWIW if a director is using the nonprofit resources to individually benefit there are bigger issues here than overpaying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

There are 9.9 Scholarships in a fully funded D1 Mens Soccer program. It is difficult to get scholarship money because so much of it goes to international players.

"VA State Schools" covers a pretty wide range - are we talking UVA or VCU? Yes they are both D1, but they really are not comparable.

BTW, UVA has 6 Virginia residents on the roster, 5 from Europe, the rest 50/50 US versus Rest of World.

Right. There is such a small amount of scholarships available that the academic side is a factor. The schools are Wiiliam & Mary, Virginia Tech, Richmond, James Madison. They're all Division I schools. That was the point of the conversation. Not only elite level DI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy carp. All my soccer teams when I was growing up in the Midwest were coached my volunteer parents!! I had no idea it was so common around here to pay coaches...

+1

My travel coach was a butcher and another one was a drywall guy. Approximately how much are parents paying per season? Do a large percentage go on to D1 or higher? This sounds crazy to me.

Virtually none in club soccer go to d1. D1 is almost half foreign recruits, and the other half mostly DA. The occasional exceptional player on a club team might get a 50% scholarship. There is almost no path to d1 from a local, non DA club.

This is completely wrong. It is difficult for even DA kids to get scholarship money from DI because there is so little of it, especially on the boys side, and most goes to upperclassmen.

But you can be recruited and play college soccer from non-DA clubs if you have very good ability and very good grades. Know kids from our district at several Virginia state schools that did not play DA. The athletics programs are looking for these types of players because they can get them academic money and won't count against the athletic scholarship limit. Plus, it helps with the GPA of the program, which is significant thing for non-revenue sports.

DC's position coach basically told us the grades were as significant to get him into the college program of choice as the ability.

There are 9.9 Scholarships in a fully funded D1 Mens Soccer program. It is difficult to get scholarship money because so much of it goes to international players.

"VA State Schools" covers a pretty wide range - are we talking UVA or VCU? Yes they are both D1, but they really are not comparable.

BTW, UVA has 6 Virginia residents on the roster, 5 from Europe, the rest 50/50 US versus Rest of World.

Right. There is such a small amount of scholarships available that the academic side is a factor. The schools are Wiiliam & Mary, Virginia Tech, Richmond, James Madison. They're all Division I schools. That was the point of the conversation. Not only elite level DI.

State Schools have something for in state students that no one else can offer - in state tuition. Each of the above schools have a line out the door of Virginia students looking for an athletic hook into these schools. These coaches don't recruit for in state students - they make decisions on who they want from the group that is banging on the door to get in. Sure they show up at tournaments to see players, but an in state public school has something no one else can match.

[Anonymous]

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You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

Looks like the city is now involved.

https://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab=Status&ticketNo=189685

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

Looks like the city is now involved.

https://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab=Status&ticketNo=189685

The city *was* involved...? For about five hours...? It looks like the status on this is "Closed."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly don't understand the distinction between a salary and a bonus. I agree that his overall compensation, consisting of both salary and bonus, is greater than other directors. However, his salary is comparable to other directors. What is different is the bonus. It would be interesting/useful to learn how that is calculated or determined, and whether ASA is obligated to continue giving him comparable bonuses in the future under whatever arrangement determined it.


Overall compensation is all that is relevant. As you have stated, this is greater than other directors. By how much would be interesting .... Pretending that bonus and salary are separate is a rookie HR and accounting mistake-total compensation is all that is important - the mixing of bonus/base is simply a way to get encourage certain performance. Regardless of how those two are put together, the overall compensation cannot(legally) be too far away from the other directors.

No, I disagree. The manner in which this total amount of compensation is highly relevant to what steps we can take to ensure that this doesn't continue to happen. I also dislike and am upset about this, but it's important to be thoughtful in approaching how to stop or change this situation, rather than just angry.

Looks like the city is now involved.

https://request.alexandriava.gov/CCC/#tab=Status&ticketNo=189685

The city *was* involved...? For about five hours...? It looks like the status on this is "Closed."

Interesting link. Looks like closed means received, not sure this system lists all the things the city is addressing. Last I heard they were dealing with speeding tickets and amazon.

[Anonymous]

This Alexandria thing is very interesting..

350k geesh If I was a Alexandria resident I’d be pissed