Our school only had one child accepted into AAP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Not our center school.

My kid got rejected from a center school with high test scores and glowing gbrs. I thought it was the opposite.

I think our AART did not do a good job doing critical thinking samples.

This assertion holds little weight unless you share the actual data. What were the scores and what were the GBRS ratings?

141 Cogat, 139 nnat, 3C and 1F GBRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Not our center school.

My kid got rejected from a center school with high test scores and glowing gbrs. I thought it was the opposite.

I think our AART did not do a good job doing critical thinking samples.

This assertion holds little weight unless you share the actual data. What were the scores and what were the GBRS ratings?

141 Cogat, 139 nnat, 3C and 1F GBRS.

129 nnat, not 139

[Anonymous]

Wow, are you appealing? Those scores are really high.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

NP. I'm not sure. My kid is in AAP at Bull Run. Our base school is VRES. I'm pretty sure we send the lion's share of AAP students to that program. It's not a ton of kids, but it's probably 15-20 per grade some years. The kids who are already at Bull Run make up the second-largest chunk. There are some kids wo are found eligible and decide not to go, for various reasons. There are also a lot of kids who live out that way and attend private schools because their parents aren't impressed with the school's offerings for Gen Ed.

It seems kind of dumb that VRES isn't willing to entertain a LLIV center. I'm surprised the people who live in the neighborhood haven't pushed hard for it, since the school's test scores and overall data would definitely look a lot better.

Maybe things were different in last year’s entering class? Per DD, it’s a fairly even distribution among 4 schools, but they only have a couple of kids from Bull Run.

[Anonymous]

It should be kids from 5 schools: Bull Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Centre Ridge. London Towne (where my kids went) only sends 1 or 2 kids a year, if that. At least that was true 5-6 years ago and the demographics haven't changed.

Half the center is kids from Virginia Run (just my guess based on the friends my kids have made over the years), and half is kids form 4 other schools. That is pretty odd (but Bull Run without the center would be a really high FARMs school, so the school admin definitely would not want to lose the center).

If the 3rd grade only had 34 kids last year, and 15 were from one school, that means each of those 4 other schools including the center Bull Run is only having 3 or 4 kids make it into AAP each year. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all if OP's kid was at London Towne or Deer Park.

If they really made it tougher to get in this year than last year, they are going to be really short on kids next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It should be kids from 5 schools: Bull Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Centre Ridge. London Towne (where my kids went) only sends 1 or 2 kids a year, if that. At least that was true 5-6 years ago and the demographics haven't changed.

Half the center is kids from Virginia Run (just my guess based on the friends my kids have made over the years), and half is kids form 4 other schools. That is pretty odd (but Bull Run without the center would be a really high FARMs school, so the school admin definitely would not want to lose the center).

If the 3rd grade only had 34 kids last year, and 15 were from one school, that means each of those 4 other schools including the center Bull Run is only having 3 or 4 kids make it into AAP each year. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all if OP's kid was at London Towne or Deer Park.

If they really made it tougher to get in this year than last year, they are going to be really short on kids next year.

The dashboard data backs your numbers up. I am surprised VRES isn't trying to get a LLIV because it would obviously help their test scores and the property values in that neighborhood. The topic came up a few times at various meetings in previous years and the principal, who is now retired, did not appreciate the questions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It should be kids from 5 schools: Bull Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Centre Ridge. London Towne (where my kids went) only sends 1 or 2 kids a year, if that. At least that was true 5-6 years ago and the demographics haven't changed.

Half the center is kids from Virginia Run (just my guess based on the friends my kids have made over the years), and half is kids form 4 other schools. That is pretty odd (but Bull Run without the center would be a really high FARMs school, so the school admin definitely would not want to lose the center).

If the 3rd grade only had 34 kids last year, and 15 were from one school, that means each of those 4 other schools including the center Bull Run is only having 3 or 4 kids make it into AAP each year. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all if OP's kid was at London Towne or Deer Park.

If they really made it tougher to get in this year than last year, they are going to be really short on kids next year.

The dashboard data backs your numbers up. I am surprised VRES isn't trying to get a LLIV because it would obviously help their test scores and the property values in that neighborhood. The topic came up a few times at various meetings in previous years and the principal, who is now retired, did not appreciate the questions.

They never do!

[Anonymous]

I don't live in that area but just mathematically--how can 5 schools worth of second grade kids (600 kids at least?) only have 34 kids total accepted into AAP, but some of these other schools have 30-40 accepted PER SCHOOL? I am not a math person, but the system FCPS is using is not producing equitable results. That's what, 5% eligible vs. 40% eligible?

Since all the files are reviewed centrally and they are actually looking for URM kids (supposedly), what's up with the disparity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't live in that area but just mathematically--how can 5 schools worth of second grade kids (600 kids at least?) only have 34 kids total accepted into AAP, but some of these other schools have 30-40 accepted PER SCHOOL? I am not a math person, but the system FCPS is using is not producing equitable results. That's what, 5% eligible vs. 40% eligible?

Since all the files are reviewed centrally and they are actually looking for URM kids (supposedly), what's up with the disparity?

The answer may be, in part, prepping. But I also think that posters underestimate how smart/gifted some families are and overestimate how smart/gifted other families are.

A WISC of 132+ is really unusually bright. Reading this forum may skew perceptions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't live in that area but just mathematically--how can 5 schools worth of second grade kids (600 kids at least?) only have 34 kids total accepted into AAP, but some of these other schools have 30-40 accepted PER SCHOOL? I am not a math person, but the system FCPS is using is not producing equitable results. That's what, 5% eligible vs. 40% eligible?

Since all the files are reviewed centrally and they are actually looking for URM kids (supposedly), what's up with the disparity?

The answer may be, in part, prepping. But I also think that posters underestimate how smart/gifted some families are and overestimate how smart/gifted other families are.

A WISC of 132+ is really unusually bright. Reading this forum may skew perceptions.

I don't get what this means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't live in that area but just mathematically--how can 5 schools worth of second grade kids (600 kids at least?) only have 34 kids total accepted into AAP, but some of these other schools have 30-40 accepted PER SCHOOL? I am not a math person, but the system FCPS is using is not producing equitable results. That's what, 5% eligible vs. 40% eligible?

Since all the files are reviewed centrally and they are actually looking for URM kids (supposedly), what's up with the disparity?

Excellent question. I'm not sure, but I don't think any of the feeder schools in question has a full-time AART. Even the greatest part-time AART is not going to have time to help find the gifted kids if he or she is assigned to 2-3 schools. I also think this leads to issues especially with parents of URM kids not getting enough information about the program, and that those kids' files are probably not as strong as they could be.

In addition, while the AAP centers are obviously trying to diversify, schools that don't have any Level IV services have a vested interest in retaining their highest performing URM kids. There's a weird tension.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't live in that area but just mathematically--how can 5 schools worth of second grade kids (600 kids at least?) only have 34 kids total accepted into AAP, but some of these other schools have 30-40 accepted PER SCHOOL? I am not a math person, but the system FCPS is using is not producing equitable results. That's what, 5% eligible vs. 40% eligible?

Since all the files are reviewed centrally and they are actually looking for URM kids (supposedly), what's up with the disparity?

The answer may be, in part, prepping. But I also think that posters underestimate how smart/gifted some families are and overestimate how smart/gifted other families are.

A WISC of 132+ is really unusually bright. Reading this forum may skew perceptions.

I don't get what this means.

It means that gifted kids are not evenly distributed in elementary schools.

[Anonymous]

Parental motivation to have their children placed in AAP is probably the biggest reason why some schools have exceptionally high AAP rates and others have only a couple kids. At some schools, every single UMC family with an above average kid will do everything in their power to make that kid AAP eligible. In other schools, people are either content with the base school, don't care about the status of AAP, lack the resources to do any test prep or outside enrichment, or lack an understanding of the AAP process.

[Anonymous]

What mean UMC family? Where are mostly of them locate in Fairfax?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What mean UMC family? Where are mostly of them locate in Fairfax?

Upper middle class. They are all over Fairfax.