Our school only had one child accepted into AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So the consensus is the quality of the second grade teacher and AART are the most important factors for getting in.

I don’t think there is any consensus.

+1

If PPP wants to draw that conclusion, fine. That's not what I think.

What do you think?

Maybe this year was different, maybe there were fewer children admitted overall. We'll find out, eventually.

In past years and this year, I think kids with high test scores and reasonable or high GBRS are admitted, and some kids with not-quite-so-high test scores are also admitted. I think most of the posts on this forum are outliers, one way or the other, so should be read with that in mind. Typically, over 2000 children are admitted in 3rd grade and there are less than 200 different posts about children who were admitted or not admitted on this forum. So it's not representative of anything.

[Anonymous]

Attended orientation yesterday. There are about 15 parents. The AART says they expect about 20 plus 5-6 level III in the 3rd grade class next year.

This is from a not so hot local IV with about 20% FARM

[Anonymous]

Has anyone been to the center orientations for some of the smaller centers mentioned in this thread? I'm curious about numbers.

[Anonymous]

Our center which is small had a lot fewer at the orientation this year from all local schools. In my observation. Maybe some did not come, though. I know our school had about 50% less admitted than ever before, according to our teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

I really would love to see some stats on applications. I suspect that more parents refer from Centers because more parents are aware of the program. I suspect that more higher income families parent refer because they want their child in the "best" program or see AAP as a status symbol.

Break out by school, what percent of kids are in-pool based on test scores.
Break out by school, what percent of kids are parent referred.
Break out by school, what percent of kids appeal the decision.

I doubt that we will see those stats because it would more likely point to the fact that higher SES families are engaged and active with AAP and schools associated with high FARM and ESOL rates are not engaged.

Yes, this would be fascinating and eye-opening.

What they need to do is have a single test given to everyone with a solid cutoff and be done with it

No more appeals or other games

And no more FCPS trying to do sociologically experiments by trying to get the class to be more racially/SES/or geographically diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

I really would love to see some stats on applications. I suspect that more parents refer from Centers because more parents are aware of the program. I suspect that more higher income families parent refer because they want their child in the "best" program or see AAP as a status symbol.

Break out by school, what percent of kids are in-pool based on test scores.
Break out by school, what percent of kids are parent referred.
Break out by school, what percent of kids appeal the decision.

I doubt that we will see those stats because it would more likely point to the fact that higher SES families are engaged and active with AAP and schools associated with high FARM and ESOL rates are not engaged.

Yes, this would be fascinating and eye-opening.

What they need to do is have a single test given to everyone with a solid cutoff and be done with it

No more appeals or other games

And no more FCPS trying to do sociologically experiments by trying to get the class to be more racially/SES/or geographically diverse.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

I really would love to see some stats on applications. I suspect that more parents refer from Centers because more parents are aware of the program. I suspect that more higher income families parent refer because they want their child in the "best" program or see AAP as a status symbol.

Break out by school, what percent of kids are in-pool based on test scores.
Break out by school, what percent of kids are parent referred.
Break out by school, what percent of kids appeal the decision.

I doubt that we will see those stats because it would more likely point to the fact that higher SES families are engaged and active with AAP and schools associated with high FARM and ESOL rates are not engaged.

Yes, this would be fascinating and eye-opening.

What they need to do is have a single test given to everyone with a solid cutoff and be done with it

No more appeals or other games

And no more FCPS trying to do sociologically experiments by trying to get the class to be more racially/SES/or geographically diverse.

Why?

Because all of this is ridiculous

Getting in shouldn't be based on how pushy parents are
Getting in shouldn't be based on some Utopian SJW fantasy
Getting in should be based on one test given to everyone period

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

I really would love to see some stats on applications. I suspect that more parents refer from Centers because more parents are aware of the program. I suspect that more higher income families parent refer because they want their child in the "best" program or see AAP as a status symbol.

Break out by school, what percent of kids are in-pool based on test scores.
Break out by school, what percent of kids are parent referred.
Break out by school, what percent of kids appeal the decision.

I doubt that we will see those stats because it would more likely point to the fact that higher SES families are engaged and active with AAP and schools associated with high FARM and ESOL rates are not engaged.

Yes, this would be fascinating and eye-opening.

What they need to do is have a single test given to everyone with a solid cutoff and be done with it

No more appeals or other games

And no more FCPS trying to do sociologically experiments by trying to get the class to be more racially/SES/or geographically diverse.

Why?

Because all of this is ridiculous

Getting in shouldn't be based on how pushy parents are
Getting in shouldn't be based on some Utopian SJW fantasy
Getting in should be based on one test given to everyone period

Pushy parents = prepping for your one test

As far as SJW stuff goes, if you push too much to only allow in the "gifted" kids and exclude the brown kids, AAP will be dismantled. For years, there have been competing factions inside FCPS that want to strengthen AAP and others who want to weaken it as a precursor to getting rid of it altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

I really would love to see some stats on applications. I suspect that more parents refer from Centers because more parents are aware of the program. I suspect that more higher income families parent refer because they want their child in the "best" program or see AAP as a status symbol.

Break out by school, what percent of kids are in-pool based on test scores.
Break out by school, what percent of kids are parent referred.
Break out by school, what percent of kids appeal the decision.

I doubt that we will see those stats because it would more likely point to the fact that higher SES families are engaged and active with AAP and schools associated with high FARM and ESOL rates are not engaged.

Yes, this would be fascinating and eye-opening.

What they need to do is have a single test given to everyone with a solid cutoff and be done with it

No more appeals or other games

And no more FCPS trying to do sociologically experiments by trying to get the class to be more racially/SES/or geographically diverse.

Why?

Because all of this is ridiculous

Getting in shouldn't be based on how pushy parents are
Getting in shouldn't be based on some Utopian SJW fantasy
Getting in should be based on one test given to everyone period

Pushy parents = prepping for your one test

As far as SJW stuff goes, if you push too much to only allow in the "gifted" kids and exclude the brown kids, AAP will be dismantled. For years, there have been competing factions inside FCPS that want to strengthen AAP and others who want to weaken it as a precursor to getting rid of it altogether.

Yeah count me in as getting rid of it along with TJ

Then in place of it I would create a magnet school just for people stuck in bad schools

This is kind of what MCPS has in place and people are pissed there too ha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our center which is small had a lot fewer at the orientation this year from all local schools. In my observation. Maybe some did not come, though. I know our school had about 50% less admitted than ever before, according to our teacher.

Our school has double the number than last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

I really would love to see some stats on applications. I suspect that more parents refer from Centers because more parents are aware of the program. I suspect that more higher income families parent refer because they want their child in the "best" program or see AAP as a status symbol.

Break out by school, what percent of kids are in-pool based on test scores.
Break out by school, what percent of kids are parent referred.
Break out by school, what percent of kids appeal the decision.

I doubt that we will see those stats because it would more likely point to the fact that higher SES families are engaged and active with AAP and schools associated with high FARM and ESOL rates are not engaged.

Yes, this would be fascinating and eye-opening.

What they need to do is have a single test given to everyone with a solid cutoff and be done with it

No more appeals or other games

And no more FCPS trying to do sociologically experiments by trying to get the class to be more racially/SES/or geographically diverse.

Good luck with that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

It’s not like kids at center schools are 40% more likely to be gifted than kids at schools where only one or two kids get in! It makes no sense logically. I had no idea there was such a huge imbalance in numbers of admitted second graders.

We chose to live in a center school district because our kid seemed bright. I didn’t want our kids going to different schools if one got in and the other did not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

It’s not like kids at center schools are 40% more likely to be gifted than kids at schools where only one or two kids get in! It makes no sense logically. I had no idea there was such a huge imbalance in numbers of admitted second graders.

We chose to live in a center school district because our kid seemed bright. I didn’t want our kids going to different schools if one got in and the other did not.

I think the center schools attract people interested in AAP (more likely to parent-refer and to appeal). And then the stakes seem higher when you are already at a center school. If your child doesn't get into Level IV they can't be "principle placed" in the center, which they could do at a school with local level IV.

[Anonymous]

^^ Sorry, I meant principal-placed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it seem like center schools have a lot more of their second graders going into AAP than regular old schools?

Yes. Louise Archer past few years has about 30%-35% of second graders go on to AAP for third. I don’t know if more people refer at center schools, more people prep or what?

It’s not like kids at center schools are 40% more likely to be gifted than kids at schools where only one or two kids get in! It makes no sense logically. I had no idea there was such a huge imbalance in numbers of admitted second graders.

We chose to live in a center school district because our kid seemed bright. I didn’t want our kids going to different schools if one got in and the other did not.

I think the center schools attract people interested in AAP (more likely to parent-refer and to appeal). And then the stakes seem higher when you are already at a center school. If your child doesn't get into Level IV they can't be "principle placed" in the center, which they could do at a school with local level IV.

Kids can be principal placed in centers...