sigh...falling in love with non-Christian

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt he’ll be interested.

Exactly. You strike me as both extreme and rigid in your beliefs - what makes you think he’d be interested?

Atheists can be pretty rigid and intolerant too, as DCUM teaches us every day.

2 intolerant spouses = recipe for disaster

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Anonymous wrote:Life is long. Most people's faith changes as they age. More importantly, people can be happily married and of different beliefs. The key is respect. My DH and I have been married for 30 years. We were both evangelical Christians when we got married at 22. Between us we have been Southern Baptist, Methodist, Buddhist, Catholic, Krishna, Wicca, UU, Unity, and Episcopalian. My DH was Atheist for a while. We grow spiritually when we are willing to be open.

We attend an Episcopal Church - For now.

Yeah I know that people of different religions can "get along", its just that God says no...

Minister here. No. He/she doesn't say that. Not even close.

Hello, Minister -- YOUR interpretation of God doesn't say no, but other interpretations do -- and the concept of God is widely open to interpretation.

I agree that people view God differently. And I think it's awesome. Our relationship with our creator is ours alone. But no where in Christian sacred scripture does God say anything even close to what the OP claims. That is not open to interpretation.

2 Corinthians 6: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"

So how do you see God approving a Christian marrying a non Christian in the context of that verse? How does one marry without being "yoked together"
Didn't you read what the minister said? This is "not even close" to saying that Christians should't marry non-Christians.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt he’ll be interested.

+1 Given the tone of OP's post, she sounds extremely judgemental, dogmatic, and pushy. I can't imagine this will work out. I

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Anonymous wrote:Life is long. Most people's faith changes as they age. More importantly, people can be happily married and of different beliefs. The key is respect. My DH and I have been married for 30 years. We were both evangelical Christians when we got married at 22. Between us we have been Southern Baptist, Methodist, Buddhist, Catholic, Krishna, Wicca, UU, Unity, and Episcopalian. My DH was Atheist for a while. We grow spiritually when we are willing to be open.

We attend an Episcopal Church - For now.

Yeah I know that people of different religions can "get along", its just that God says no...

Minister here. No. He/she doesn't say that. Not even close.

Hello, Minister -- YOUR interpretation of God doesn't say no, but other interpretations do -- and the concept of God is widely open to interpretation.

I agree that people view God differently. And I think it's awesome. Our relationship with our creator is ours alone. But no where in Christian sacred scripture does God say anything even close to what the OP claims. That is not open to interpretation.

2 Corinthians 6: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"

So how do you see God approving a Christian marrying a non Christian in the context of that verse? How does one marry without being "yoked together"
Didn't you read what the minister said? This is "not even close" to saying that Christians should't marry non-Christians.

I was being sarcastic. The minister believes everyone's faith path is valid, except Orthodox Christians. The ministers alludes to "sacred scripture" but apparently can't or won't understand what the printed words on a page say.

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Anonymous wrote:Life is long. Most people's faith changes as they age. More importantly, people can be happily married and of different beliefs. The key is respect. My DH and I have been married for 30 years. We were both evangelical Christians when we got married at 22. Between us we have been Southern Baptist, Methodist, Buddhist, Catholic, Krishna, Wicca, UU, Unity, and Episcopalian. My DH was Atheist for a while. We grow spiritually when we are willing to be open.

We attend an Episcopal Church - For now.

Yeah I know that people of different religions can "get along", its just that God says no...

Minister here. No. He/she doesn't say that. Not even close.

Hello, Minister -- YOUR interpretation of God doesn't say no, but other interpretations do -- and the concept of God is widely open to interpretation.

I agree that people view God differently. And I think it's awesome. Our relationship with our creator is ours alone. But no where in Christian sacred scripture does God say anything even close to what the OP claims. That is not open to interpretation.

2 Corinthians 6: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"

I'm hesitant to even reply because most evangelicals know nothing about the Bible. They know what they were told in Sunday School. And they know what their pastors tell them. But I have literally never met an evangelical Christian who truly understand scripture.

Briefly, first you said "God said" you weren't allowed to marry non-Christians. But the verse you quoted was likely written by Timothy (possibly Paul). So God didn't say it, Timothy did

Second, and more importantly, that verse was part of a letter written to a specific group of people in a specific church to address a specific issue. It is critical that we read the Bible (and all ancient texts) with an awareness of history, time, place, culture, religion, law, politics, etc.... And evangelical Christians are just not willing to take the time to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Life is long. Most people's faith changes as they age. More importantly, people can be happily married and of different beliefs. The key is respect. My DH and I have been married for 30 years. We were both evangelical Christians when we got married at 22. Between us we have been Southern Baptist, Methodist, Buddhist, Catholic, Krishna, Wicca, UU, Unity, and Episcopalian. My DH was Atheist for a while. We grow spiritually when we are willing to be open.

We attend an Episcopal Church - For now.

Yeah I know that people of different religions can "get along", its just that God says no...

Minister here. No. He/she doesn't say that. Not even close.

Hello, Minister -- YOUR interpretation of God doesn't say no, but other interpretations do -- and the concept of God is widely open to interpretation.

I agree that people view God differently. And I think it's awesome. Our relationship with our creator is ours alone. But no where in Christian sacred scripture does God say anything even close to what the OP claims. That is not open to interpretation.

2 Corinthians 6: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"

I'm hesitant to even reply because most evangelicals know nothing about the Bible. They know what they were told in Sunday School. And they know what their pastors tell them. But I have literally never met an evangelical Christian who truly understand scripture.

Briefly, first you said "God said" you weren't allowed to marry non-Christians. But the verse you quoted was likely written by Timothy (possibly Paul). So God didn't say it, Timothy did

Second, and more importantly, that verse was part of a letter written to a specific group of people in a specific church to address a specific issue. It is critical that we read the Bible (and all ancient texts) with an awareness of history, time, place, culture, religion, law, politics, etc.... And evangelical Christians are just not willing to take the time to do that.

1 and 2 Corinthians were very clearly written by Paul. Indeed, 2 Corinthians is an entire defense of his apostolic authority to speak for Christ to the church. And here's what Peter had to say about Paul's letters' authority for all Christians: "Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-17).

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Anonymous wrote:Life is long. Most people's faith changes as they age. More importantly, people can be happily married and of different beliefs. The key is respect. My DH and I have been married for 30 years. We were both evangelical Christians when we got married at 22. Between us we have been Southern Baptist, Methodist, Buddhist, Catholic, Krishna, Wicca, UU, Unity, and Episcopalian. My DH was Atheist for a while. We grow spiritually when we are willing to be open.

We attend an Episcopal Church - For now.

Yeah I know that people of different religions can "get along", its just that God says no...

Minister here. No. He/she doesn't say that. Not even close.

Hello, Minister -- YOUR interpretation of God doesn't say no, but other interpretations do -- and the concept of God is widely open to interpretation.

I agree that people view God differently. And I think it's awesome. Our relationship with our creator is ours alone. But no where in Christian sacred scripture does God say anything even close to what the OP claims. That is not open to interpretation.

2 Corinthians 6: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"

I'm hesitant to even reply because most evangelicals know nothing about the Bible. They know what they were told in Sunday School. And they know what their pastors tell them. But I have literally never met an evangelical Christian who truly understand scripture.

Briefly, first you said "God said" you weren't allowed to marry non-Christians. But the verse you quoted was likely written by Timothy (possibly Paul). So God didn't say it, Timothy did

Second, and more importantly, that verse was part of a letter written to a specific group of people in a specific church to address a specific issue. It is critical that we read the Bible (and all ancient texts) with an awareness of history, time, place, culture, religion, law, politics, etc.... And evangelical Christians are just not willing to take the time to do that.

1 and 2 Corinthians were very clearly written by Paul. Indeed, 2 Corinthians is an entire defense of his apostolic authority to speak for Christ to the church. And here's what Peter had to say about Paul's letters' authority for all Christians: "Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-17).

This is OP...I wish I could meet you in real life!

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Anonymous wrote:Could be a troll or not. But I knew a evangelical Christian who married a Jew and divorced.

Divorced over religion?

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Anonymous wrote:Life is long. Most people's faith changes as they age. More importantly, people can be happily married and of different beliefs. The key is respect. My DH and I have been married for 30 years. We were both evangelical Christians when we got married at 22. Between us we have been Southern Baptist, Methodist, Buddhist, Catholic, Krishna, Wicca, UU, Unity, and Episcopalian. My DH was Atheist for a while. We grow spiritually when we are willing to be open.

We attend an Episcopal Church - For now.

Yeah I know that people of different religions can "get along", its just that God says no...

Minister here. No. He/she doesn't say that. Not even close.

Hello, Minister -- YOUR interpretation of God doesn't say no, but other interpretations do -- and the concept of God is widely open to interpretation.

I agree that people view God differently. And I think it's awesome. Our relationship with our creator is ours alone. But no where in Christian sacred scripture does God say anything even close to what the OP claims. That is not open to interpretation.

2 Corinthians 6: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"

I'm hesitant to even reply because most evangelicals know nothing about the Bible. They know what they were told in Sunday School. And they know what their pastors tell them. But I have literally never met an evangelical Christian who truly understand scripture.

Briefly, first you said "God said" you weren't allowed to marry non-Christians. But the verse you quoted was likely written by Timothy (possibly Paul). So God didn't say it, Timothy did

Second, and more importantly, that verse was part of a letter written to a specific group of people in a specific church to address a specific issue. It is critical that we read the Bible (and all ancient texts) with an awareness of history, time, place, culture, religion, law, politics, etc.... And evangelical Christians are just not willing to take the time to do that.

How can people tell which verses in the Bible are from God and which ones can be interpreted or dismissed because God did not write them?

You could say that the whole Bible is not "from God" because it's accepted academically that various people, not God himself, wrote the whole Bible

[Anonymous]

Ivanka converted for Jared.

If a man converts for a woman, you know it’s because he is desparate and can’t do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivanka converted for Jared.

If a man converts for a woman, you know it’s because he is desparate and can’t do better.

Actually they broke up initially because his mom said he can’t marry a non-Jew. He was madly in love and went back to Ivanka, she on her own, volunteered to convert. I’m not a Trump supporter BTW. Prior to being in the WH and some would even argue that even still today, she is quite the catch. Gorgeous, successful, and smart.

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OP, i hope the non-christian guy you are falling for is not Muslim. Marriage is hard for anyone, but even harder when a practicing Christian marries a Muslim. Even when they say they are not religious, it all changes when you have kids. I’ve seen Muslim male and female friends who drank, slept around, and ate non halal go on to marry Christians then do total 360’s once the children arrive. Suddenly, they want to fast and take the kids to Sunday school when they didn’t do any of that before. It’s because they can’t stand to see the kids enjoying fun Christian holidays and preferring that over the doldrums that is Islam. I say that as a non-practicing Muslim myself before everyone starts accusing me of being some racist xenophobic monster. I’ve even had conversations with my Muslims friends that I grew up with about this and asked why are you getting all worked up about religion, you never did anything Islamic in college or afterwards, but now that Cathy/Joe wants to take the kids to mass and put up a tree you’re insisting the kids suddenly learn how to read the Quran in arabic? Their response is always the same BS, i want the kids to know my background/culture etc too. Doesn’t make any sense to me and when I challenge them on their prior un Islamic behavior they tell me to shut up. Whatever, just be warned.

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OP,

Your belief if false if it is not based on spirituality and cannot value a person for his morals and deeds. Your religious belief seems to hinge on the ritualistic aspects of your religion and as such it is just a social club.

Is he not a person that your God created? You disrespect God when you disrespect his creation.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, i hope the non-christian guy you are falling for is not Muslim. Marriage is hard for anyone, but even harder when a practicing Christian marries a Muslim. Even when they say they are not religious, it all changes when you have kids. I’ve seen Muslim male and female friends who drank, slept around, and ate non halal go on to marry Christians then do total 360’s once the children arrive. Suddenly, they want to fast and take the kids to Sunday school when they didn’t do any of that before. It’s because they can’t stand to see the kids enjoying fun Christian holidays and preferring that over the doldrums that is Islam. I say that as a non-practicing Muslim myself before everyone starts accusing me of being some racist xenophobic monster. I’ve even had conversations with my Muslims friends that I grew up with about this and asked why are you getting all worked up about religion, you never did anything Islamic in college or afterwards, but now that Cathy/Joe wants to take the kids to mass and put up a tree you’re insisting the kids suddenly learn how to read the Quran in arabic? Their response is always the same BS, i want the kids to know my background/culture etc too. Doesn’t make any sense to me and when I challenge them on their prior un Islamic behavior they tell me to shut up. Whatever, just be warned.

Not really a Muslim thing — pretty typical immigrant / minority reaction, to fear of losing their children due to assimilation. (Americans living abroad do it too, to some degree.) Quite human.

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I'm Christian, my spouse was raised mostly without religious (though family was "historically" Christian). Married now for over 20 years, and very happy. Once in a while though, I have some regret that my kids don't know much about the Bible or Christmas carols, etc. Spouse isn't into church and I haven't pushed it. I know I could, or I could go and bring the kids with me -- I just haven't. I guess it's not a priority for me either. I just have found memories of church friends growing up and singing Christmas carols this time of year.