Why do people hate Elrich?

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Anonymous wrote:His policies will continue to discourage job creation in MD, especially relative to VA and DC. Lack of jobs will reduces the county's tax base and hurts property values, which itself reduces tax revenues.

To continue with the current level of county spending, never mind all the new things Elrich wants, would require increases in tax rates to make up for the above. And that, in return, will lead some of the wealthier county residents to move to VA or DC to avoid the higher tax burden in MoCo/MD. While it is tempting to say good riddens and don't let the door hit your rear on the way out, if we lose wealthier residents we lose the tax revenue needed to fund all the things the county wants to provide

A death spiral is too dramatic, but if MoCo doesn't keep itself at least nominally competitive with the surrounding areas, it isn't going to be good for county residents -- rich or poor. And the poor will probably suffer more because they can less easily just move across state lines.

The county is just adding rampant development without enough infrastructure (roads, parks, schools, Rec center, etc) in the wealthier areas while greatly increasing the real estate and recordation taxes paid. It’s called ‘screwing people over’ . That is what Elrich wants to change which would be good.

So now Marc is a champion for the wealthier areas of MoCo and does not support higher real estate taxes? Lol.

I know - cracks me up every time someone says Elrich is a NIMBY supported by people in CCMD, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Those are the places that would hurt the most under Elrich.

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It's not the county's job to fix every problem in the world

It will just make the people who have to pay for it move across the county border with their business or high income

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I'm not happy with any of the choices. However, I'm concerned how all the business development under Floreen would affect schools, roads, and traffic. My biggest issues are the schools. I would not have a problem with a pro-development stance if there was adequate consideration for the schools, which I have not seen. The schools are already at capacity and overcrowded. Where are all the students going to go when they build more high density housing? The traffic getting around Bethesda and Rockville is already bad enough. More housing = more cars and people on the roads. I support development of more businesses (stores, restaurants, etc), but the trend is to increase the housing around those and I don't see enough accounting for the burden this puts on schools and traffic. So my vote will reluctantly go to Elrich (I am usually a more moderate voter).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not happy with any of the choices. However, I'm concerned how all the business development under Floreen would affect schools, roads, and traffic. My biggest issues are the schools. I would not have a problem with a pro-development stance if there was adequate consideration for the schools, which I have not seen. The schools are already at capacity and overcrowded. Where are all the students going to go when they build more high density housing? The traffic getting around Bethesda and Rockville is already bad enough. More housing = more cars and people on the roads. I support development of more businesses (stores, restaurants, etc), but the trend is to increase the housing around those and I don't see enough accounting for the burden this puts on schools and traffic. So my vote will reluctantly go to Elrich (I am usually a more moderate voter).

You think business development will put pressure on schools? Business development?

If people continue to take their tax dollars to DC or Northern Virginia, and you businesses continue to open in DC and Northern Virginia, while people and businesses both avoid Montgomery county, our tax base will continue to decline. That is not good for the county or for taxpayers, business owners and home owners.

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I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

Why are you blaming Bezos? Is Soros next?

I have not read what the Post says about Elrich. I’ve just lived in the heart of Elrich territory for a long time and I think he would take the county in the wrong direction. We need to stop driving people, businesses and revenue to DC and VA and Frederick County.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

Why are you blaming Bezos? Is Soros next?

I have not read what the Post says about Elrich. I’ve just lived in the heart of Elrich territory for a long time and I think he would take the county in the wrong direction. We need to stop driving people, businesses and revenue to DC and VA and Frederick County.

NP but if this is the level of your reasoning I really wonder why anyone should take you seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

Why are you blaming Bezos? Is Soros next?

I have not read what the Post says about Elrich. I’ve just lived in the heart of Elrich territory for a long time and I think he would take the county in the wrong direction. We need to stop driving people, businesses and revenue to DC and VA and Frederick County.

NP but if this is the level of your reasoning I really wonder why anyone should take you seriously.

Using a rich businessman as a bogeyman is a trope of both the far right and the far left these days. Maybe you’re not aware of that — I will give you the ne edit of the doubt. The PP seems to think Bezos hangs out at the Post telling the editorial page what to print.

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Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

With those forces aligned against him, it's clear he's looking out for the little guy, unlike his adversaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich, unlike Flourine, is not in the pocket of wealthy developers so they depict him as anti-business when in fact he's just interested in the welfare of regular working people.

I know it might be confusing since she sometimes resembles a noxious gas, but her name is Floreen, not Fluorine.

This made me laugh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

With those forces aligned against him, it's clear he's looking out for the little guy, unlike his adversaries.

Like the “little guy” he was looking out for when he opposed the Fillmore? Right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.
The Post editorial board, which has taken a decidedly anti-union position since Bezos acquired it, has waged a jihad against the guy ever since he emerged as the front runner. I have not seen the Post target anyone to this level before, and it seems really irresponsible. Based on this tread, it appears that this fearmongering is working, since I’m seeing the same exact verbatim arguments as there were in the Post.

And to the person who called Elrich “creepy”? Why? This blows my mind. He is a handsome and personable guy who is very approachable and honest and he cares about people and listens. I’m sorry that someone who is a real human being instead of an entitled shill for the developer and big business executive class comes off as “creepy” to you.

What??

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Anonymous wrote:I think Marc Elrich is a mansplaining jerk without a complete vision for how to govern the county or help it grow.

I cannot remember the last non-democrat I voted for in 30 years of voting and I'm voting for Floreen.

He’s weird and CREEPY. I’ve met him and I can’t put my finger on it but there is something about him I just do NOT like. You know that feeling or vibe you get when you meet someone who you immediately know you want nothing to do with and want to stay far away from? He’s that.

Funny. I got the same feeling from Floreen when she told me to move out of Bethesda if I didn't like it; that other parts of the county had more traffic. Really? Like many others, I rue leaving DC, a beautiful, green city. Bethesda is indeed a "paradise lost," as Bethesda Magazine pondered uyears ago. Elrich is the only one who believe local voices - neighbors - voters - matter.

Oh yes, I’m sure Elrich believes the voices of Bethesda voters really matter.

There's plenty of fodder if you want to disagree with Elrich on the issues, but the fact is that he has taken the time to listen to Bethesda residents about their concerns about the unchecked growth. If you think downtown Bethesda should be more urban than downtown DC then go ahead vote for Floreen because she never even deigned to respond to emails, much less show up in person to a local community group meeting. A 13 story building height worked ok for DC and we now have a dozen or so 17 story buildings, with much narrower streets, built, under construction or approved by the planning board. Thanks, Nancy.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at what everyone that hates Floreen says, it's always "she's in the pocket of developers". I would like to know which developer she's in the pocket of and which "development" these people specifically think should not be built. Do people want fewer houses? Do people want fewer businesses? Explicitly say, which homes do you want not built. I'm voting Floreen and strawman attacks with zero substance will not persuade me otherwise. The house I live in was at one time built by a developer.

You make a good point. Whether we like it or not, the MoCo population, like the population of MD, and the US as a whole, is growing. People need somewhere to live. If they block new projects downcounty (Bethesda, etc), it drives up prices by limiting supply, and gives people no choice but to move upcounty like Clarksburg/Germantown. But that area isn't served by public transporation, and even adding a BRT won't help that much -- it's too spread out. So, we'd need more roads.

Either we allow development downcounty and add more capacity for schools, and so on; or we do it upcounty and add more capacity for roads (and schools.. but they have the land set aside already).

What I haven't really seen from Elrich is how to address the growing population. If he's anti-development, then housing prices will just go up since all these new people moving to the area need a place to live. If we restrict supply, then prices go up.

+1,000,000

Elrich supporters seem to ignore that fact that population growth in MoCo is growing regardless of development.

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Anonymous wrote:I like Marc and I find it really sad that people on this thread believe the media hack job on him. It’s really a shame. I have never once heard this level of vitriol against him over his past twelve years in office. Which, I may add, he was consistently the top vote getter.

Elrich won the primary by 77 votes in a 6-way race. Hardly a mandate.