Why so much UVA jealousy?

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP is being satirical and I found it amusing. Indeed the Commonwealth is fortunate to have such a fine institution as an in-state tuition option for excellent students.

That said, I do believe U of M kicks UVa's a** in research dollars, international renown, Nobelists, dedicated alumni Rhodes Scholars and oh yeah Ann Arbor.

Yes, it could be a post to just stir the pot. Or could be the next wave of Russian manipulation of U.S. social media to increase discord. . .

LOL!

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I'd never heard of UVA until I moved to VA. So up on the ranks of the Ivy schools and UChicago it is not. Obviously, I could figure out that UVA meant University of Virginia but I had no idea what that "meant" until I moved here.

Also, I work in a STEM field and UVA is still not regarded that highly when compared to VT. Is UVA making strides in the STEM fields? Yes, but they are still not at VT, MIT, Georgia Tech level and are not regarded as such. We pick grads from one of those schools with stellar academic histories over similar UVA grads all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD and I just toured UVA two weeks ago. We used to live in Arlington, and my DH is from VA. We were in DC and drove down there. I'll tell you who is jealous of Virginians, and that is we Californians. UVA lets in about 75% Virginians. The in-state tuition is a bargain. Meanwhile, out of state tuition is in the 45K range, and your kid cannot establish VA residency unless a parent lives there.

In CA, the University of California system (UCs, such as UCLA, UC San Diego, UC Berkeley etc) lets in some ridiculously low % of Californians, because they are looking for out-of-state or out-of-country students to subsidize the California kids. They also have a deal with the CA public HSs to let in their top 10% of kids. But these publics don't hold a candle to what I've seen with the Arlington HS system. So many families go private. Then the private kids are SOL with respect to getting into their state schools bc those few spots are taken by public school kids.

So...I don't know why any Virginian would scoff at the UVA deal. Great school, great price.

Well that’s what happens when you pay no taxes. So pay property taxes at market rate or pay for other services as you use them- ie state school.

No. Virginia colleges are looking for OOS students as well. OOS students pay more than their cost of attendance, so they subsidize in-state. And UC Berkeley and UCLA are at about 75% in-state vs 67% for UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd never heard of UVA until I moved to VA. So up on the ranks of the Ivy schools and UChicago it is not. Obviously, I could figure out that UVA meant University of Virginia but I had no idea what that "meant" until I moved here.

Also, I work in a STEM field and UVA is still not regarded that highly when compared to VT. Is UVA making strides in the STEM fields? Yes, but they are still not at VT, MIT, Georgia Tech level and are not regarded as such. We pick grads from one of those schools with stellar academic histories over similar UVA grads all the time.

VT is not at the GT level, which in turn is not at the MIT level.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA offer a world-class education, producing more Rhodes scholars than any public university in the US and many of the most elite privates as well. It is a first choice school for highly intelligent, accomplished, and candidly beautiful, athletic, and extraordinarily well rounded high school graduates from all over the country. And if you go there from in state, it’s an absolute bargain. So why is everyone so jealous of it? Why aren’t we thrilled to have such an attractive option right at our front door?

Why so many UVA braggarts? Y'all never shut up about UVA, and you come across as defensive and insecure.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s no Michigan! There are guys in northern VA who wear Michigan hats so often I swear they have been sewn into their heads.

I live in NOVA and I've never seen anyone in Michigan gear. And who the hell wants to go to school in the upper mid west?

Weird. It’s usually mixed in with the Ivy crowd so maybe that’s why you haven’t seen it.

Michigan has nothing in common with Ivy League schools. There are no Walmart Harvard fans.

It has more in common than UVA does.

Walmart? Charlottesville is more podunk than Ann Arbor.

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I think Ivy League Vandy Duke UChicago Northwestern boosters/parents are triggered by UVA boosters/parents sheer happiness and lack of care about the supposed "status" of a hyper-selective private. UVA parents just don't give a sh*t, which the private boosters take as some sort of obliviousness they have to poke a hole into (respect my perfect parenting and high status!). Honestly, the average outcome of the hyper-selective kids and UVA kids is damn near identical. I think the hyper-selective parents expect people to bend over backwards whenever they namedrop the college. Nobody really cares. And if the kid just ends up in a normal middle class 9-5 job, what was the point.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Ivy League Vandy Duke UChicago Northwestern boosters/parents are triggered by UVA boosters/parents sheer happiness and lack of care about the supposed "status" of a hyper-selective private. UVA parents just don't give a sh*t, which the private boosters take as some sort of obliviousness they have to poke a hole into (respect my perfect parenting and high status!). Honestly, the average outcome of the hyper-selective kids and UVA kids is damn near identical. I think the hyper-selective parents expect people to bend over backwards whenever they namedrop the college. Nobody really cares. And if the kid just ends up in a normal middle class 9-5 job, what was the point.

Sounds like you care.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Ivy League Vandy Duke UChicago Northwestern boosters/parents are triggered by UVA boosters/parents sheer happiness and lack of care about the supposed "status" of a hyper-selective private. UVA parents just don't give a sh*t, which the private boosters take as some sort of obliviousness they have to poke a hole into (respect my perfect parenting and high status!). Honestly, the average outcome of the hyper-selective kids and UVA kids is damn near identical. I think the hyper-selective parents expect people to bend over backwards whenever they namedrop the college. Nobody really cares. And if the kid just ends up in a normal middle class 9-5 job, what was the point.

Well, I'm not sure the average outcomes are the same between UVA and say Princeton or Duke. If you look at this report, which factors earnings but adjusts for mix of majors and selectivity to make it more apples to apples, you can see UVA lags Princeton and Duke. https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/college-rankings/#interactive .

But Princeton and Duke are more selective, so the real question would be whether there is an impact on outcomes for attending Princeton or Duke or UVA for a student with the same credentials (for instance Princeton-level credentials). That is hard to say.

There is a huge focus on institutional prestige on this board, but another report from the same research center shows that majors are what is really important (although do not completely control destiny). https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/5rules/

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Anonymous wrote:I think Ivy League Vandy Duke UChicago Northwestern boosters/parents are triggered by UVA boosters/parents sheer happiness and lack of care about the supposed "status" of a hyper-selective private. UVA parents just don't give a sh*t, which the private boosters take as some sort of obliviousness they have to poke a hole into (respect my perfect parenting and high status!). Honestly, the average outcome of the hyper-selective kids and UVA kids is damn near identical. I think the hyper-selective parents expect people to bend over backwards whenever they namedrop the college. Nobody really cares. And if the kid just ends up in a normal middle class 9-5 job, what was the point.

Well, I'm not sure the average outcomes are the same between UVA and say Princeton or Duke. If you look at this report, which factors earnings but adjusts for mix of majors and selectivity to make it more apples to apples, you can see UVA lags Princeton and Duke. https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/college-rankings/#interactive .

But Princeton and Duke are more selective, so the real question would be whether there is an impact on outcomes for attending Princeton or Duke or UVA for a student with the same credentials (for instance Princeton-level credentials). That is hard to say.

There is a huge focus on institutional prestige on this board, but another report from the same research center shows that majors are what is really important (although do not completely control destiny). https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/5rules/

Is the lag that big? Apples to apples, isn't the private going to cost 2x...takes a lot of years of 2k-5k diff in salary to cover the 100k extra in tuition. Idk it just seems like I know a lot of elite alums in pretty normal jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Ivy League Vandy Duke UChicago Northwestern boosters/parents are triggered by UVA boosters/parents sheer happiness and lack of care about the supposed "status" of a hyper-selective private. UVA parents just don't give a sh*t, which the private boosters take as some sort of obliviousness they have to poke a hole into (respect my perfect parenting and high status!). Honestly, the average outcome of the hyper-selective kids and UVA kids is damn near identical. I think the hyper-selective parents expect people to bend over backwards whenever they namedrop the college. Nobody really cares. And if the kid just ends up in a normal middle class 9-5 job, what was the point.

Well, I'm not sure the average outcomes are the same between UVA and say Princeton or Duke. If you look at this report, which factors earnings but adjusts for mix of majors and selectivity to make it more apples to apples, you can see UVA lags Princeton and Duke. https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/college-rankings/#interactive .

But Princeton and Duke are more selective, so the real question would be whether there is an impact on outcomes for attending Princeton or Duke or UVA for a student with the same credentials (for instance Princeton-level credentials). That is hard to say.

There is a huge focus on institutional prestige on this board, but another report from the same research center shows that majors are what is really important (although do not completely control destiny). https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/5rules/

Is the lag that big? Apples to apples, isn't the private going to cost 2x...takes a lot of years of 2k-5k diff in salary to cover the 100k extra in tuition. Idk it just seems like I know a lot of elite alums in pretty normal jobs.

The difference in the CEW report is a lot more than $2-5K. It shows median for Duke of $76.7K, Princeton $75.1K, and UVA $58.6K. Payscale ROI 20 year net with aid factored in shows Princeton ranked 11, Duke 28, and UVA in-state 59. Princeton in particular has very generous financial aid so student debt is very low.

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What's link to that media and ROI info?

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median*

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Op - it's your attitude, thinking people are jealous, as if that's the only reason someone would decline UVA. It's a very obnoxious attitude.

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Best known alum.

George Heugely. That's pretty bad.