Residency Fraud growing at Appletree Institute

[Anonymous]

I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

It's frustrating, but it just is. The schools and the city officials want to get as many bodies in school as possible, and particularly want to make sure they are serving the kids who need schooling the most. If some cheaters get in as well, they can live with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

It's frustrating, but it just is. The schools and the city officials want to get as many bodies in school as possible, and particularly want to make sure they are serving the kids who need schooling the most. If some cheaters get in as well, they can live with that.

Or they are protecting and enabling their own staff who is cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

100% agree. If this were really kids living w/ their grandmas even 25% of the time b/c mom/dad are housing insecure or the quarters are too crammed or someone has a substance issue or there is DV in the home... Then I'm totally fine w/ them using DCPS schools and not having to officially give grandma guardianship or prove that the kids lives there. When these are middle class families where 1 of the parents works for DC gov't and they live in PG b/c it's cheaper and the housing is roomier? Not OK. I can't afford to live in the school district I'd most like to either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

So, first off, I find this post to be a bit ridiculous. I know that residency fraud occurs but I call BS here. Most people in PG cannot afford to live next to you in Columbia Heights. Columbia Heights is now very expensive. But, frankly, that doesn't even matter. Most telling is that this post was written a few days after school started. At Appletree CH, our school was closed and we had to drop kids off down the street at the church. Did you follow them and look at their license plates as they parked and then followed the parents as they walked to the school and dropped their DSs and DDs off? I don't even know how you could have made this observation from a logistical perspective. Maybe, you saw the parents and the kids and they didn't seem as "at-risk" as would have assumed they should be so you figured they couldn't possibly live in city. Either way, they were faulty conclusions based on faulty observations. What if a family friend has to drop off the kids? What if one parents lives in the city and the other one doesn't and they take turns taking the kid to school? What if they moved to DC from Maryland and haven't changed their tags because they park on their parking pad or inside a garage.

I call BS. I dropped my LO off as well and I didn't see what you're claiming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

So, first off, I find this post to be a bit ridiculous. I know that residency fraud occurs but I call BS here. Most people in PG cannot afford to live next to you in Columbia Heights. Columbia Heights is now very expensive. But, frankly, that doesn't even matter. Most telling is that this post was written a few days after school started. At Appletree CH, our school was closed and we had to drop kids off down the street at the church. Did you follow them and look at their license plates as they parked and then followed the parents as they walked to the school and dropped their DSs and DDs off? I don't even know how you could have made this observation from a logistical perspective. Maybe, you saw the parents and the kids and they didn't seem as "at-risk" as would have assumed they should be so you figured they couldn't possibly live in city. Either way, they were faulty conclusions based on faulty observations. What if a family friend has to drop off the kids? What if one parents lives in the city and the other one doesn't and they take turns taking the kid to school? What if they moved to DC from Maryland and haven't changed their tags because they park on their parking pad or inside a garage.

I call BS. I dropped my LO off as well and I didn't see what you're claiming.

There are plenty of 2 bedroom apartments in Columbia Heights that are roughly the same cost of (or cheaper than) a mortgage on a PG county suburban house. We all make trade offs in life. If you want a big house and a big yard in the suburbs, that's cool, but don't then turn around and use DC schools for free daycare because it's convenient to your DC government job. That's fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

So, first off, I find this post to be a bit ridiculous. I know that residency fraud occurs but I call BS here. Most people in PG cannot afford to live next to you in Columbia Heights. Columbia Heights is now very expensive. But, frankly, that doesn't even matter. [/b] Most telling is that this post was written a few days after school started. At Appletree CH, our school was closed and we had to drop kids off down the street at the church. Did you follow them and look at their license plates as they parked and then followed the parents as they walked to the school and dropped their DSs and DDs off? I don't even know how you could have made this observation from a logistical perspective. Maybe, you saw the parents and the kids and they didn't seem as "at-risk" as would have assumed they should be so you figured they couldn't possibly live in city. Either way, they were faulty conclusions based on faulty observations. What if a family friend has to drop off the kids? What if one parents lives in the city and the other one doesn't and they take turns taking the kid to school? What if they moved to DC from Maryland and haven't changed their tags because they park on their parking pad or inside a garage.

I call BS. I dropped my LO off as well and I didn't see what you're claiming.

There are plenty of 2 bedroom apartments in Columbia Heights that are roughly the same cost of (or cheaper than) a mortgage on a PG county suburban house. We all make trade offs in life. If you want a big house and a big yard in the suburbs, that's cool, but don't then turn around and use DC schools for free daycare because it's convenient to your DC government job. That's fraud.

Reading is fundamental. I'm not sure if you merely skimmed what I said or actually read it. But, I said that "But, frankly that doesn't even matter." In other words, it's not relevant to this discussion. Even though it's not, I'll shoot. You may have only one child, but it's possible that these parents have multiple children. Who knows if a 2bedroom is sufficient. You're making a lot of assumptions and judgments without a whole lot of information. Even with that, if you are the original poster, can you respond about how you observed all this rampant residency fraud within the first two days of schools. You don't know all of the parents, the kids or even the teachers. You don't know which cars belong to whom, especially where, as in this instance, people had to park at least a block away? Interesting that you just responded to my point about affording CH. If you are the poster, I'm assuming its because you don't have anything to back it up. You saw some folks that you thought didn't belong and you made assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

So, first off, I find this post to be a bit ridiculous. I know that residency fraud occurs but I call BS here. Most people in PG cannot afford to live next to you in Columbia Heights. Columbia Heights is now very expensive. But, frankly, that doesn't even matter. [/b] Most telling is that this post was written a few days after school started. At Appletree CH, our school was closed and we had to drop kids off down the street at the church. Did you follow them and look at their license plates as they parked and then followed the parents as they walked to the school and dropped their DSs and DDs off? I don't even know how you could have made this observation from a logistical perspective. Maybe, you saw the parents and the kids and they didn't seem as "at-risk" as would have assumed they should be so you figured they couldn't possibly live in city. Either way, they were faulty conclusions based on faulty observations. What if a family friend has to drop off the kids? What if one parents lives in the city and the other one doesn't and they take turns taking the kid to school? What if they moved to DC from Maryland and haven't changed their tags because they park on their parking pad or inside a garage.

I call BS. I dropped my LO off as well and I didn't see what you're claiming.

There are plenty of 2 bedroom apartments in Columbia Heights that are roughly the same cost of (or cheaper than) a mortgage on a PG county suburban house. We all make trade offs in life. If you want a big house and a big yard in the suburbs, that's cool, but don't then turn around and use DC schools for free daycare because it's convenient to your DC government job. That's fraud.

Reading is fundamental. I'm not sure if you merely skimmed what I said or actually read it. But, I said that "But, frankly that doesn't even matter." In other words, it's not relevant to this discussion. Even though it's not, I'll shoot. You may have only one child, but it's possible that these parents have multiple children. Who knows if a 2bedroom is sufficient. You're making a lot of assumptions and judgments without a whole lot of information. Even with that, if you are the original poster, can you respond about how you observed all this rampant residency fraud within the first two days of schools. You don't know all of the parents, the kids or even the teachers. You don't know which cars belong to whom, especially where, as in this instance, people had to park at least a block away? Interesting that you just responded to my point about affording CH. If you are the poster, I'm assuming its because you don't have anything to back it up. You saw some folks that you thought didn't belong and you made assumptions.

New poster here with no insight into this particular argument or the facts.

But at my very in demand neighborhood MS and HS an insane number of kids are dropped off at school every day from MD plated cars.

There are myriad possible explanations that are legit for someone being dropped off in a non DC car - grandparent, nanny, rental, just moved etc etc.

But the sheer number of MD cars (many of which in the cases I'm citing are luxury cars) and the fact that none of them are ever from VA suggests to me that there is some significant residency fraud. And yes there are people dropping the kids off where I know both the kid and the parents and they've been in DCPS for years driving the same Range Rover so its not a nanny or a rental or someone who just moved.

I drive a 15 year old car and live in a modest (but overpriced rowhouse) - there is no reason my kids should be attending an over crowded school so someone from the burbs can drive a luxury car and have a large house on a large lot in some MD suburb.

[Anonymous]

My residency-cheater coworker used to live in SW. got tired of the apartment life, bought a big townhouse in PG. She did send her kid to private school for a while but just enrolled her kid in a new charter EOTR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My residency-cheater coworker used to live in SW. got tired of the apartment life, bought a big townhouse in PG. She did send her kid to private school for a while but just enrolled her kid in a new charter EOTR.

Where does the child's father live?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what is frustrating for "new" residents (only 17 years) is that the regulations are sold as being loose so kids in troubled situations don't fall through the cracks. I think most of the people in this area are ok with that. The issue is when it is taken advantage of by people who could afford to live next door to me in CH but instead would rather have a large suburban house. When schools can't even get supplies to teach their at risk population, people should be appalled.

So, first off, I find this post to be a bit ridiculous. I know that residency fraud occurs but I call BS here. Most people in PG cannot afford to live next to you in Columbia Heights. Columbia Heights is now very expensive. But, frankly, that doesn't even matter. [/b] Most telling is that this post was written a few days after school started. At Appletree CH, our school was closed and we had to drop kids off down the street at the church. Did you follow them and look at their license plates as they parked and then followed the parents as they walked to the school and dropped their DSs and DDs off? I don't even know how you could have made this observation from a logistical perspective. Maybe, you saw the parents and the kids and they didn't seem as "at-risk" as would have assumed they should be so you figured they couldn't possibly live in city. Either way, they were faulty conclusions based on faulty observations. What if a family friend has to drop off the kids? What if one parents lives in the city and the other one doesn't and they take turns taking the kid to school? What if they moved to DC from Maryland and haven't changed their tags because they park on their parking pad or inside a garage.

I call BS. I dropped my LO off as well and I didn't see what you're claiming.

There are plenty of 2 bedroom apartments in Columbia Heights that are roughly the same cost of (or cheaper than) a mortgage on a PG county suburban house. We all make trade offs in life. If you want a big house and a big yard in the suburbs, that's cool, but don't then turn around and use DC schools for free daycare because it's convenient to your DC government job. That's fraud.

Reading is fundamental. I'm not sure if you merely skimmed what I said or actually read it. But, I said that "But, frankly that doesn't even matter." In other words, it's not relevant to this discussion. Even though it's not, I'll shoot. You may have only one child, but it's possible that these parents have multiple children. Who knows if a 2bedroom is sufficient. You're making a lot of assumptions and judgments without a whole lot of information. Even with that, if you are the original poster, can you respond about how you observed all this rampant residency fraud within the first two days of schools. You don't know all of the parents, the kids or even the teachers. You don't know which cars belong to whom, especially where, as in this instance, people had to park at least a block away? Interesting that you just responded to my point about affording CH. If you are the poster, I'm assuming its because you don't have anything to back it up. You saw some folks that you thought didn't belong and you made assumptions.

I’m the PP and I’m not the OP. I do have multiple children and we are crammed into a tiny townhouse because we can’t afford anything bigger in the city. And I’m sick of seeing the Maryland residency cheaters. And I’m sick of the apologists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My residency-cheater coworker used to live in SW. got tired of the apartment life, bought a big townhouse in PG. She did send her kid to private school for a while but just enrolled her kid in a new charter EOTR.

Where does the child's father live?

They all live together in PG. Parents are married co-owners of the townhouse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I drive a 15 year old car and live in a modest (but overpriced rowhouse) - there is no reason my kids should be attending an over crowded school so someone from the burbs can drive a luxury car and have a large house on a large lot in some MD suburb.

Sounds like your ire is really about their house and car. Why don’t you move to PG if living there is the key to happiness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I drive a 15 year old car and live in a modest (but overpriced rowhouse) - there is no reason my kids should be attending an over crowded school so someone from the burbs can drive a luxury car and have a large house on a large lot in some MD suburb.

Sounds like your ire is really about their house and car. Why don’t you move to PG if living there is the key to happiness?

Not the PP. Her “ire” is about people committing fraud, and cheating DC children out of resources. But you knew that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My residency-cheater coworker used to live in SW. got tired of the apartment life, bought a big townhouse in PG. She did send her kid to private school for a while but just enrolled her kid in a new charter EOTR.

Where does the child's father live?

They all live together in PG. Parents are married co-owners of the townhouse.

then this is an easy one. Just report them.