Residency Fraud growing at Appletree Institute

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP, then people will use the addresses of grandma’s friend, a church member , a sorority/fraternity member. I hate to break it to you but the black residents or former black residents are going no where. DC will do nothing about it. Heck I’ve been a residency cheater and feel no remorse. The city cannot push out people and expect that those people who have community ties (to family and jobs) not return. DC knows and feels bad at how they’ve pushed out many former residents whose families lived here 4-5 generations, so the city will turn a blind eye. This is how DC works! I’m not sure why all of a sudden it’s a problem for Susie so just moved here from Iowa.

Because Susie is paying for the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is going to happen as grandparents, relatives sell houses in DC? In Shepard Park, houses are being sold, so families can't use addresses anymore.

I'm sure you don't particularly care. But on my street (in Takoma DC, not Shepherd Park) when all the grandkids were grown, a few years after grandma passed, the house got sold. Until then a relative would move in, or the family with a child in DCPS.

Also if you are going to dis Shepherd Park, please learn to spell it.

[Anonymous]

NOt trying to dis Shepherd Park- I love the area and I look at houses up for sale. Many of the houses look like they belonged to older people, hence the observation that those homes are being sold by grandparents. Younger families of all races appear to be moving into these homes, making it difficult to use the address. These owners aren't being forced out of the city. They are older folks opting to sell their homes, just as many people all around the country do. Shepherd Park is a beautiful neighborhood full of folks who have always been middle to upper middle class, not a newly gentrified area. Not sure how this makes their extended families entitled to attend Shepherd ES when they no longer live in DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP, then people will use the addresses of grandma’s friend, a church member , a sorority/fraternity member. I hate to break it to you but the black residents or former black residents are going no where. DC will do nothing about it. Heck I’ve been a residency cheater and feel no remorse. The city cannot push out people and expect that those people who have community ties (to family and jobs) not return. DC knows and feels bad at how they’ve pushed out many former residents whose families lived here 4-5 generations, so the city will turn a blind eye. This is how DC works! I’m not sure why all of a sudden it’s a problem for Susie so just moved here from Iowa.

Because Susie is paying for the schools.

Susie's kid should be in PreK, not the out of state resident. Additionally, if you can't afford DC why is this some huge problem? Many people cannot afford DC and don't drive their kids in to attend DCPS. My family is in Bethesda where I grew up, should I cheat and have my kids attend MoCo schools? People move and life changes.

[Anonymous]

I find it amazing that people lie to get DC a public schools. Maybe free preK but even then there aren’t any real slots in nice area that are realistically gettable. People talk about people feeling entitled to DC services because of some legacy connection but most likely DC schools was at the core of them being poor and having to move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP, then people will use the addresses of grandma’s friend, a church member , a sorority/fraternity member. I hate to break it to you but the black residents or former black residents are going no where. DC will do nothing about it. Heck I’ve been a residency cheater and feel no remorse. The city cannot push out people and expect that those people who have community ties (to family and jobs) not return. DC knows and feels bad at how they’ve pushed out many former residents whose families lived here 4-5 generations, so the city will turn a blind eye. This is how DC works! I’m not sure why all of a sudden it’s a problem for Susie so just moved here from Iowa.

This is some BS. I’m black and a Shepherd Park resident. Nobody is pushing black SP families out. However, practices like the above are keeping ACTUAL BLACK DC RESIDENTS out. I know black families who tried to buy here but were priced out, and then couldn’t get off the waitlist. They tried to do things the right way. So please don’t characterize all black folks as engaging in this practice, and be happy you haven’t gotten caught—yet. There will be less tolerance of these types of shenanigans as waitlists continue to grow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud is a huge issue in MCPS also. It’s tough to enforce and there is not enough staff to do so anyway.

If you decide to have more than 2 people ion the organization to enforce, you show you are serious. Clearly DC is not serious. You need a real organization to do this.

Certain politicians don't want to mess with the base in "Ward 9."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud is a huge issue in MCPS also. It’s tough to enforce and there is not enough staff to do so anyway.

If you decide to have more than 2 people ion the organization to enforce, you show you are serious. Clearly DC is not serious. You need a real organization to do this.

Certain politicians don't want to mess with the base in "Ward 9."

More like ALL of them. Do you see any DC elected official who is crusading on this? Proposing adding significant staff / budget to OSSE or the DC AG's office for stepped up investigations or enforcement?

It's lip service and crickets from all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it amazing that people lie to get DC a public schools. Maybe free preK but even then there aren’t any real slots in nice area that are realistically gettable. People talk about people feeling entitled to DC services because of some legacy connection but most likely DC schools was at the core of them being poor and having to move.

I wouldn't call someone who lives in a home in Upper Marlboro and works for the DC government exactly "poor" - when the parent is looking for free before/after school care at a location that is more convenient to the parent's DC agency workplace. This is the profile of many of the residence cheaters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A coworker uses her grandmother’s address, changed her license to DC, and changed her taxes to DC. Why? So her kid could go to a charter school in DC. She lives with her husband and daughter in a house they own in PG County. The school actually coached her on what to do. I’d report her but unless they follow her home every day, how can her fraud be proven?

If she pays taxes, not sure I have an issue with it.

I doubt she's paying taxes in DC. As a PG resident, most taxes would be paid there anyway -- property, vehicle registration, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who commits residency fraud and is an employee of the DC government should be summarily fired and escorted off the premises. That's one way to discourage it. How can you have individuals who are employed in positions of public trust defrauding the District??

[Anonymous]

The real shame in all of this is there's going to be lot of parents who will owe several $10,000's to D.C. in back tuition, at a time when their young kids really need that money to support their families. Of course, shame on the parents, but also shame on the system for hurting the kids for their parents' really dumb mistake. I hope the AG's office will be light with the money penalties, and just make them return to the 'burbs.

[Anonymous]

It's clear that Susie loses even if she gets a Pk3 / 4 slot for her child, as that child must now attend school outnumbered by those whose families have no integrity nor teach it to their children.

Susie and the relatively small proportion of taxpayers in DC are shouldering $4.5Million ($29.8K/yr X pk3-12) PER ACTUAL BONA FIDE DC resident student according to the conservative 10-to-1 fraudster rate apparent in almost any dropoff at DC schools.

Perhaps the easiest way to change is an education campaign aimed at would be buyers of the zillion units sold by developers. "This new condo sits on a tax $$$ black hole, don't worry the money will be used inefficiently bring criminals AND traffic into your 'hood." Developers have the biggest political sway in town anyhow, dwarfing patronage job recipients and the school staff, black church & 'poor' organizations that are Pro-fraud.

Those paying 22% on parking, 10% on restaurant meals, and de facto guilty parking tickets are SoL and perhaps the only dimes to come from PG county residents here to plunder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Problem is that people think because they feel dc or big mama lives there that they can escape the nightmare that are PG schools and drop off on their way to legacy DC gov jobs that they aren’t really classically qualified for. The DC gov turns a blind eye because they don’t want to have a crack down mostly effect black people and appear to be bowing down to the recent white residents. As if enforcing rules and financial compliance are white people things

If you want boundary fraud not to be investigated or taken seriously, you are doing exactly the right thing.

By conflating your creepy white nationalist/race baiting views with the real issue of boundary enforcement, you make it much easier for people of good will to dismiss the real issue. I care deeply about this issue, and even I almost want DC government to focus on other priorities when I read posts like yours.

Also, I doubt you have ever been to PG county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real shame in all of this is there's going to be lot of parents who will owe several $10,000's to D.C. in back tuition, at a time when their young kids really need that money to support their families. Of course, shame on the parents, but also shame on the system for hurting the kids for their parents' really dumb mistake. I hope the AG's office will be light with the money penalties, and just make them return to the 'burbs.

There hasn't been much 'shame' at all among these brazen criminals. Not even a thank you. It's not a 'mistake' it's theft. The AG needs to make examples of them, a financial pillory that names names. And the proceeds should go 100% to enforcement to clear this problem up within 2 years.