Why are you deleting my posts in the Explaining Transgenderism thread?

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Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

No, it's not. Because the relevant problem with the disorder is the DISTRESS. If someone is transitioning and isn't distressed about it, then they don't have gender dysmorphia. Shouldn't be a huge surprise that someone who is experiencing a certain kind of severe distress is classified as having a disorder.

As I said in my previous post, treating the distress does not mean your disordered thinking is now normal. By analogy: I have depression. I treat it. I still have depression even if it’s treated. Treatment for a fully transitioned transgender person is long-term hormones and other therapies. It’s not a one-time “cure.”

I mean, it's great that you're trying to play doctor here, but you're just wrong. Many transgender people never experience gender dysmorphia. They just transition and are fine. Gender dysmorphia is something that sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn't. You can experience gender dysmorphia and never transition. You can transition without ever experiencing it. They are two different things. Your attempts to make them the same are simply medically incorrect.

Your attempt at playing doctor is... worse? Some people just randomly transition despite never having been distressed with being in the wrong body? That’s extraordinarily rare. You don’t wake up one day and just transition. In any event, I have a reasonable disagreement with you so cut it out with the insults and troll-reporting.

I'm not a doctor but I have a job that actually requires me to know a great deal about the psychology of being transgender (which is why I chimed in on this thread in the first place). I guarantee you that my knowledge of the medical issues regarding gender identity is far informed than whatever you dreamed up in your head.

Okay, just keep on insulting me then. Great job, dude. All your “great deal” of knowledge is really shining through.

I'm not sure where I insulted you. By accusing you of trying to play doctor? I mean, isn't that what you were doing? I didn't report you to anyone. I'm simply trying to counter the incorrect information you're disseminating. I hope you have a nice day, and that in the future you learn more about a topic before spreading false information.

You haven’t actually countered anything. You just assured me that you know more than “whatever I dreamed up in my head.” Okay, whatever.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff,
I typically agree with your policing of the site and keeping trolls and racists away. I disagree with OP on transgender and have several friends and family that are transgender. That said, the OPs posts were not so far off topic to be removed. Nor is pointing to the DSM "wrong" or "trolling" or "inflammatory." I personally disagree with how the DSM categorizes transgender, but I'm not offended by someone pointing it out.

As I said in an earlier post, I have had reports from all across the spectrum about the transgender thread and the non-binary thread. Several posters would like to see both threads removed completely. Several posters are concerned about specific posts. In the end, I have to be the one who decides what to do. I don't expect anyone, let alone everyone, to agree with my decisions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

No, it's not. Because the relevant problem with the disorder is the DISTRESS. If someone is transitioning and isn't distressed about it, then they don't have gender dysmorphia. Shouldn't be a huge surprise that someone who is experiencing a certain kind of severe distress is classified as having a disorder.

As I said in my previous post, treating the distress does not mean your disordered thinking is now normal. By analogy: I have depression. I treat it. I still have depression even if it’s treated. Treatment for a fully transitioned transgender person is long-term hormones and other therapies. It’s not a one-time “cure.”

I mean, it's great that you're trying to play doctor here, but you're just wrong. Many transgender people never experience gender dysmorphia. They just transition and are fine. Gender dysmorphia is something that sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn't. You can experience gender dysmorphia and never transition. You can transition without ever experiencing it. They are two different things. Your attempts to make them the same are simply medically incorrect.

Your attempt at playing doctor is... worse? Some people just randomly transition despite never having been distressed with being in the wrong body? That’s extraordinarily rare. You don’t wake up one day and just transition. In any event, I have a reasonable disagreement with you so cut it out with the insults and troll-reporting.

I'm not a doctor but I have a job that actually requires me to know a great deal about the psychology of being transgender (which is why I chimed in on this thread in the first place). I guarantee you that my knowledge of the medical issues regarding gender identity is far informed than whatever you dreamed up in your head.

NP

According to this article (which I assume to be a reputable source) distress does not define gender dysphoria. It is merely feeling conflicted between the persons physical gender and the gender with which they identify:

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

This is incorrect. Distress is a component. See here. https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/gender-dysphoria-dsm--5-302.85-(f64.9)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff,
I typically agree with your policing of the site and keeping trolls and racists away. I disagree with OP on transgender and have several friends and family that are transgender. That said, the OPs posts were not so far off topic to be removed. Nor is pointing to the DSM "wrong" or "trolling" or "inflammatory." I personally disagree with how the DSM categorizes transgender, but I'm not offended by someone pointing it out.

You say this but should realize that one big way that Jeff and many other Liberals police and restrict speech they do not like is by labeling any speaker with whom they disagree, a racist or troll or bigot or what have you. If OP did not have the DSM backing her up, most people would be calling her a bigot and a troll despite her being neither.

There are quite a few people posting they don’t understand transgender or it’s a fad or trendy or they should just accept how they are born, etc. I don’t see all of those getting deleted, so I do not buy into your theory that Jeff is deleting everything and labeling non-liberals as trolls.

Well, Jeff does delete content he doesn't like all the time. He'll use words like "racist" or "troll," or when it's just too much of a stretch, he falls back on the the weak "off topic" excuse to delete. To a moderate like me, I see it all the time. Jeff makes this site quite the Liberal safe space, so I can see how you, as a liberal, might be blind as to what he has to do to accomplish this.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff,
I typically agree with your policing of the site and keeping trolls and racists away. I disagree with OP on transgender and have several friends and family that are transgender. That said, the OPs posts were not so far off topic to be removed. Nor is pointing to the DSM "wrong" or "trolling" or "inflammatory." I personally disagree with how the DSM categorizes transgender, but I'm not offended by someone pointing it out.

As I said in an earlier post, I have had reports from all across the spectrum about the transgender thread and the non-binary thread. Several posters would like to see both threads removed completely. Several posters are concerned about specific posts. In the end, I have to be the one who decides what to do. I don't expect anyone, let alone everyone, to agree with my decisions.

Jeff,
I’m the PP quoted. Now that I’ve read more of the OPs rants I agree
Initially it just seemed OP was merely pointing to the DSM. Sorry to question your reasoning!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

No, it's not. Because the relevant problem with the disorder is the DISTRESS. If someone is transitioning and isn't distressed about it, then they don't have gender dysmorphia. Shouldn't be a huge surprise that someone who is experiencing a certain kind of severe distress is classified as having a disorder.

As I said in my previous post, treating the distress does not mean your disordered thinking is now normal. By analogy: I have depression. I treat it. I still have depression even if it’s treated. Treatment for a fully transitioned transgender person is long-term hormones and other therapies. It’s not a one-time “cure.”

I mean, it's great that you're trying to play doctor here, but you're just wrong. Many transgender people never experience gender dysmorphia. They just transition and are fine. Gender dysmorphia is something that sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn't. You can experience gender dysmorphia and never transition. You can transition without ever experiencing it. They are two different things. Your attempts to make them the same are simply medically incorrect.

Your attempt at playing doctor is... worse? Some people just randomly transition despite never having been distressed with being in the wrong body? That’s extraordinarily rare. You don’t wake up one day and just transition. In any event, I have a reasonable disagreement with you so cut it out with the insults and troll-reporting.

I'm not a doctor but I have a job that actually requires me to know a great deal about the psychology of being transgender (which is why I chimed in on this thread in the first place). I guarantee you that my knowledge of the medical issues regarding gender identity is far informed than whatever you dreamed up in your head.

NP

According to this article (which I assume to be a reputable source) distress does not define gender dysphoria. It is merely feeling conflicted between the persons physical gender and the gender with which they identify:

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

This is incorrect. Distress is a component. See here. https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/gender-dysphoria-dsm--5-302.85-(f64.9)

Or if you're more apt to believe the American Psychiatric Association. https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff,
I typically agree with your policing of the site and keeping trolls and racists away. I disagree with OP on transgender and have several friends and family that are transgender. That said, the OPs posts were not so far off topic to be removed. Nor is pointing to the DSM "wrong" or "trolling" or "inflammatory." I personally disagree with how the DSM categorizes transgender, but I'm not offended by someone pointing it out.

You say this but should realize that one big way that Jeff and many other Liberals police and restrict speech they do not like is by labeling any speaker with whom they disagree, a racist or troll or bigot or what have you. If OP did not have the DSM backing her up, most people would be calling her a bigot and a troll despite her being neither.

There are quite a few people posting they don’t understand transgender or it’s a fad or trendy or they should just accept how they are born, etc. I don’t see all of those getting deleted, so I do not buy into your theory that Jeff is deleting everything and labeling non-liberals as trolls.

Well, Jeff does delete content he doesn't like all the time. He'll use words like "racist" or "troll," or when it's just too much of a stretch, he falls back on the the weak "off topic" excuse to delete. To a moderate like me, I see it all the time. Jeff makes this site quite the Liberal safe space, so I can see how you, as a liberal, might be blind as to what he has to do to accomplish this.

It is his site. I doubt you are moderate.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff,
I typically agree with your policing of the site and keeping trolls and racists away. I disagree with OP on transgender and have several friends and family that are transgender. That said, the OPs posts were not so far off topic to be removed. Nor is pointing to the DSM "wrong" or "trolling" or "inflammatory." I personally disagree with how the DSM categorizes transgender, but I'm not offended by someone pointing it out.

As I said in an earlier post, I have had reports from all across the spectrum about the transgender thread and the non-binary thread. Several posters would like to see both threads removed completely. Several posters are concerned about specific posts. In the end, I have to be the one who decides what to do. I don't expect anyone, let alone everyone, to agree with my decisions.

Jeff,
I’m the PP quoted. Now that I’ve read more of the OPs rants I agree
Initially it just seemed OP was merely pointing to the DSM. Sorry to question your reasoning!

In the actual thread, yes, I was pointing to the DSM. If you want to characterize my posts in this website feedback as “rants,” I disagree but it’s not really relevant to whether my posts in the actual thread should have been deleted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff,
I typically agree with your policing of the site and keeping trolls and racists away. I disagree with OP on transgender and have several friends and family that are transgender. That said, the OPs posts were not so far off topic to be removed. Nor is pointing to the DSM "wrong" or "trolling" or "inflammatory." I personally disagree with how the DSM categorizes transgender, but I'm not offended by someone pointing it out.

You say this but should realize that one big way that Jeff and many other Liberals police and restrict speech they do not like is by labeling any speaker with whom they disagree, a racist or troll or bigot or what have you. If OP did not have the DSM backing her up, most people would be calling her a bigot and a troll despite her being neither.

There are quite a few people posting they don’t understand transgender or it’s a fad or trendy or they should just accept how they are born, etc. I don’t see all of those getting deleted, so I do not buy into your theory that Jeff is deleting everything and labeling non-liberals as trolls.

Well, Jeff does delete content he doesn't like all the time. He'll use words like "racist" or "troll," or when it's just too much of a stretch, he falls back on the the weak "off topic" excuse to delete. To a moderate like me, I see it all the time. Jeff makes this site quite the Liberal safe space, so I can see how you, as a liberal, might be blind as to what he has to do to accomplish this.

It is his site. I doubt you are moderate.

1) No one dispute this, but he's still a liar; 2) and yet I am.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

No, it's not. Because the relevant problem with the disorder is the DISTRESS. If someone is transitioning and isn't distressed about it, then they don't have gender dysmorphia. Shouldn't be a huge surprise that someone who is experiencing a certain kind of severe distress is classified as having a disorder.

As I said in my previous post, treating the distress does not mean your disordered thinking is now normal. By analogy: I have depression. I treat it. I still have depression even if it’s treated. Treatment for a fully transitioned transgender person is long-term hormones and other therapies. It’s not a one-time “cure.”

I mean, it's great that you're trying to play doctor here, but you're just wrong. Many transgender people never experience gender dysmorphia. They just transition and are fine. Gender dysmorphia is something that sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn't. You can experience gender dysmorphia and never transition. You can transition without ever experiencing it. They are two different things. Your attempts to make them the same are simply medically incorrect.

Your attempt at playing doctor is... worse? Some people just randomly transition despite never having been distressed with being in the wrong body? That’s extraordinarily rare. You don’t wake up one day and just transition. In any event, I have a reasonable disagreement with you so cut it out with the insults and troll-reporting.

I'm not a doctor but I have a job that actually requires me to know a great deal about the psychology of being transgender (which is why I chimed in on this thread in the first place). I guarantee you that my knowledge of the medical issues regarding gender identity is far informed than whatever you dreamed up in your head.

NP

According to this article (which I assume to be a reputable source) distress does not define gender dysphoria. It is merely feeling conflicted between the persons physical gender and the gender with which they identify:

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

This article literally says:

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, and significant distress or problems functioning. It lasts at least six months and is shown by at least two of the following:

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:1) No one dispute this, but he's still a liar; 2) and yet I am.

Can you please clarify exactly what you think that I lied about?

Also, can you explain why there are so many posts expressing viewpoints which with I strongly disagree still on this website if I delete all such posts? I am really confused about that.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) No one dispute this, but he's still a liar; 2) and yet I am.

Can you please clarify exactly what you think that I lied about?

Also, can you explain why there are so many posts expressing viewpoints which with I strongly disagree still on this website if I delete all such posts? I am really confused about that.

You are a liar because you claim to have standards for deletion that are not based on content when you absolutely delete based on content you don't like (aka, content that Liberals do not like, often). You deleted this comment you claim, because it was "off topic" and didn't address the thread subject of how to address the topic of transgenderism with a child. However, in this specific case, the deleted comment DID address that very thing (how to explain to child), you just did not like the content of that explanation (that it is a disorder).

But really, if you take a step back, DCUM threads are always wandering all over the place in terms of content. That you should single out certain threads to police based on "on/off topic" comments is a testament itself to your bias and unfair policing. The question is, why lie and claim it's not the content you want to delete?

[Anonymous]

Wow, Jeff? I took into consideration your feedback and specifically tied my reference to the DSM to the advice I would give my child, and you locked the thread? Seriously? Really? I am a mom with two kids. This is not an academic discussion to me. What I wrote is literally what I would tell my kids. And you’ve decided it’s not helpful or responsive to the OP? This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

No, it's not. Because the relevant problem with the disorder is the DISTRESS. If someone is transitioning and isn't distressed about it, then they don't have gender dysmorphia. Shouldn't be a huge surprise that someone who is experiencing a certain kind of severe distress is classified as having a disorder.

As I said in my previous post, treating the distress does not mean your disordered thinking is now normal. By analogy: I have depression. I treat it. I still have depression even if it’s treated. Treatment for a fully transitioned transgender person is long-term hormones and other therapies. It’s not a one-time “cure.”

I mean, it's great that you're trying to play doctor here, but you're just wrong. Many transgender people never experience gender dysmorphia. They just transition and are fine. Gender dysmorphia is something that sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn't. You can experience gender dysmorphia and never transition. You can transition without ever experiencing it. They are two different things. Your attempts to make them the same are simply medically incorrect.

Your attempt at playing doctor is... worse? Some people just randomly transition despite never having been distressed with being in the wrong body? That’s extraordinarily rare. You don’t wake up one day and just transition. In any event, I have a reasonable disagreement with you so cut it out with the insults and troll-reporting.

I'm not a doctor but I have a job that actually requires me to know a great deal about the psychology of being transgender (which is why I chimed in on this thread in the first place). I guarantee you that my knowledge of the medical issues regarding gender identity is far informed than whatever you dreamed up in your head.

NP

According to this article (which I assume to be a reputable source) distress does not define gender dysphoria. It is merely feeling conflicted between the persons physical gender and the gender with which they identify:

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

This is incorrect. Distress is a component. See here. https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/gender-dysphoria-dsm--5-302.85-(f64.9)

Yes. Stress is a component, but does not define it.

I mean really, find me one person who does not identify with the gender they were assigned at birth and is NOT stressed about it.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:You are a liar because you claim to have standards for deletion that are not based on content when you absolutely delete based on content you don't like (aka, content that Liberals do not like, often). You deleted this comment you claim, because it was "off topic" and didn't address the thread subject of how to address the topic of transgenderism with a child. However, in this specific case, the deleted comment DID address that very thing (how to explain to child), you just did not like the content of that explanation (that it is a disorder).

What the hell are you talking about? Of course I delete based on content. How can a post be off-topic if not due to content? Moreover, I don't think you even read the post in question so you actually have no basis on which to make a judgement. You also can't read my mind and, therefore, can't know my motivations. So, without having read the post and not being able to read my mind, how can you offer any useful comment on any of this?

Anonymous wrote:
But really, if you take a step back, DCUM threads are always wandering all over the place in terms of content. That you should single out certain threads to police based on "on/off topic" comments is a testament itself to your bias and unfair policing. The question is, why lie and claim it's not the content you want to delete?

I have explained this and because you apparently don't want to address my responses, so you just ignore them. Most of my moderation is in response to reports. Your problem is with those who make reports (or don't make reports) rather than with me. If you see a thread "wondering all over the place", report it. If you don't report it, don't complain about it.