CogAT/Pool letter arrived

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of older kids who are in AAP.

Parent refer. Do not include WISC - keep it for appeal since u may need to appeal. We used Dr. Dahlgren for the WISC.

Parent refer even if low scores. I know kids with 120 cogat who got in!

Good luck!

If you have a strong WISC, I would submit with the application unless perhaps the other scores were very high. Why not put your best foot forward and not have to wait for an appeal?

DD had a 109 NNAT, 134 Cogat, and 129 WISC. Psychologist advised to include WISC with the application as it showed the NNAT was an outlier. She got in (also wound up having a 14 or 15 GBRS).

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Anonymous wrote:Received CogAt score today, zip 22015. Ughh, not in pool by a long shot. NNAT was not good either. I am planning to parent refer because I believe AAP is a good fit. Should I look into getting a WISC? I have no idea what GBRS scores have been in previous years but NNAT/CogAt are not going to cut it Has anyone waited and referred in a later grade?

NP. Why do you think that?

PP. Because I know my child pretty well. I know that he comes home and researches subjects well ahead of his grade level just for the fun on learning. Chemistry is regular dinner conversation. I know that he loves learning but isn't excited about school. I know that he struggles to hold conversation with friends because he is talking over their heads. I know that he would love to share his ideas and interests with other kids who have the same thoughts and interests.

You should parent refer. Give these examples in the parent questionnaire. See if you have some homework/project that shows his deep dive into a subject he likes. Once the screening packet leaves the school to go to the central office, ask the AART for a copy of the entire screening file. There you would see the GBRS score along with the work examples, and decide if you want to pursue a WISC or not. I personally know several kids who got into AAP with scores sub-120 bc of a great school package. (And I know this bc a group of us went through the process together and were very open about it.) Good luck!

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When does the local committee submit files to the central committee?

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of older kids who are in AAP.

Parent refer. Do not include WISC - keep it for appeal since u may need to appeal. We used Dr. Dahlgren for the WISC.

Parent refer even if low scores. I know kids with 120 cogat who got in!

Good luck!

If you have a strong WISC, I would submit with the application unless perhaps the other scores were very high. Why not put your best foot forward and not have to wait for an appeal?

DD had a 109 NNAT, 134 Cogat, and 129 WISC. Psychologist advised to include WISC with the application as it showed the NNAT was an outlier. She got in (also wound up having a 14 or 15 GBRS).

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Composite score of 132

COGAT weighs more than NNAT so if you have only one high score of two you want it to be COGAT. Won't work if it's the other way around.

NNAT is harder and most people try to justify low NNAT scores with this logic.

This is a fact. FCPS has confirmed this over the years.

FCPS weighs both equally!

This is 100% incorrect. Former FCPS teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:Received CogAt score today, zip 22015. Ughh, not in pool by a long shot. NNAT was not good either. I am planning to parent refer because I believe AAP is a good fit. Should I look into getting a WISC? I have no idea what GBRS scores have been in previous years but NNAT/CogAt are not going to cut it Has anyone waited and referred in a later grade?

NP. Why do you think that?

PP. Because I know my child pretty well. I know that he comes home and researches subjects well ahead of his grade level just for the fun on learning. Chemistry is regular dinner conversation. I know that he loves learning but isn't excited about school. I know that he struggles to hold conversation with friends because he is talking over their heads. I know that he would love to share his ideas and interests with other kids who have the same thoughts and interests.

NP here: both my kids are in aap. One has over a 150 fsiq and his cogat was a 140. He fits in with friends both in and out of AAp and doesn't talk over their heads. They're kids, not robots.

That's great for you and YOUR kids, but OP's son's situation is not uncommon at all.

None of those things are going to support admission to the committee. Just like saying the kid with a 150 IQ has a peer group in school won't support or dissuade admission. She's said he loves learning, talking about science and struggles to talk to other kids. That ain't getting her kid in. Now if the current teacher said he has no peer group because he is head and shoulders above the rest, that would mean something. Mom saying it? Nah. (A kid in my neighborhood is FACINATED by science. Talks about it all the time - he is also struggling in school. He also has difficulty talking to other kids.) See what I mean...?

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Anonymous wrote:Composite score of 132

COGAT weighs more than NNAT so if you have only one high score of two you want it to be COGAT. Won't work if it's the other way around.

NNAT is harder and most people try to justify low NNAT scores with this logic.

This is a fact. FCPS has confirmed this over the years.

FCPS weighs both equally!

This is 100% incorrect. Former FCPS teacher.

Would you kindly share your knowledge and say which one weighs more that the other?

[Anonymous]

I'm an ex-fcps elem. teacher. From my experience they place the most weight on CogAt, then GBRS, then NNAT. WISC trumps all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an ex-fcps elem. teacher. From my experience they place the most weight on CogAt, then GBRS, then NNAT. WISC trumps all.

Thanks.

Do they place more weight on any one specific part of the CogAT? I'm thinking that the Math part should be very important, because Math moves kid of fast in AAP, or at least faster than other things, whereas the other subjects are the same but more in depth.

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All COGAT subsections are viewed equally

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Received in-pool letter via email from principal this morning. Haven't received CoGAT scores yet. 20170.

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Does anyone know what percentage of students gets into pool vs percentage of students referred by parent?
Of which how many gets admitted in each category? Reading from this board seems 132 is common score!

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Anonymous wrote:All COGAT subsections are viewed equally

Thanks. Do you also happen to know why the CogAT has more weight?

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Received both the score and the pool letter today. NNAT 110; COGAT 134. DC has a summer birthday and has matured tremendously between last year and this year. Suspect GBRS will be decent. Should I schedule the WISC for the appeal?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what percentage of students gets into pool vs percentage of students referred by parent?
Of which how many gets admitted in each category? Reading from this board seems 132 is common score!

I’m also interested what percentage of each class gets into AAP, is there a limit?