Harvard under Investigation

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Justice Department threatening a lawsuit constitutes escalating.

Anyone can threaten a lawsuit, that doesn't mean the suit is meritorious.

Escalating and meritorious are two different things.

That is true. You are correct that the Justice Department is escalating its threats. Nothing else has changed about whether their case has any merit, so really this isn't news beyond showing how the Justice Department is flailing.

I think it shows how Harvard is stonewalling. If they have nothing to hide then why not produce the requested documents.

Exactly. I'm sure the data is damning.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Justice Department threatening a lawsuit constitutes escalating.

Anyone can threaten a lawsuit, that doesn't mean the suit is meritorious.

Escalating and meritorious are two different things.

That is true. You are correct that the Justice Department is escalating its threats. Nothing else has changed about whether their case has any merit, so really this isn't news beyond showing how the Justice Department is flailing.

I think it shows how Harvard is stonewalling. If they have nothing to hide then why not produce the requested documents.

Exactly. I'm sure the data is damning.

Data "are". Data is plural which you would know if you went to Harvard. You obviously didn't read anything that was posted. This is three-year-old litigation involving claims by the Asian American community that they are being discriminated against when they have superior scores but are not allowed into the Ivies in representative numbers. the claim is identical to the anti-Jew sentiment and limits on the number of Jewish students admitted in the 50s and early 60s. Harvard is not producing the documents because it is "stonewalling". It has claimed the information is protected by FERPA. This is standard litigation posturing. The OP went off the rails not understanding what this litigation is about. Just google Seth Waxman Harvard litigation. The case has nothing to do with Harvard allegedly discriminating against minorities, URMs, Hispanics, Jews or the poor. It's about Asian Americans with the best test scores and GPAs not getting into the Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Justice Department threatening a lawsuit constitutes escalating.

Anyone can threaten a lawsuit, that doesn't mean the suit is meritorious.

Escalating and meritorious are two different things.

That is true. You are correct that the Justice Department is escalating its threats. Nothing else has changed about whether their case has any merit, so really this isn't news beyond showing how the Justice Department is flailing.

I think it shows how Harvard is stonewalling. If they have nothing to hide then why not produce the requested documents.

Exactly. I'm sure the data is damning.

Data "are". Data is plural which you would know if you went to Harvard. You obviously didn't read anything that was posted. This is three-year-old litigation involving claims by the Asian American community that they are being discriminated against when they have superior scores but are not allowed into the Ivies in representative numbers. the claim is identical to the anti-Jew sentiment and limits on the number of Jewish students admitted in the 50s and early 60s. Harvard is not producing the documents because it is "stonewalling". It has claimed the information is protected by FERPA. This is standard litigation posturing. The OP went off the rails not understanding what this litigation is about. Just google Seth Waxman Harvard litigation. The case has nothing to do with Harvard allegedly discriminating against minorities, URMs, Hispanics, Jews or the poor. It's about Asian Americans with the best test scores and GPAs not getting into the Ivies.

Except the Trump DOJ is trying to find a case to join and take a case against affirmative action case the way to the Supreme Court. So it’s the old case but may get a new party.

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Anonymous wrote:? The Asian percent at Harvard is around or over 25% if you factor in mixed-race and international Asians as well. That is a huge chunk. At some of the more STEM oriented schools- MIT, Caltech, Rice, Harvey Mudd- the Asian population is larger than the Caucasian population.

Important to note about half the Caucasians are Jewish.

More than half

Maybe that's true, I have no idea. For this to be a conspiracy, you're saying Jewish people have taken over not just presidents of universities, but also admissions departments (I believe Harvard's admissions Dean is a Catholic guy, fyi), and they somehow know which kids are Jewish? Half the Jewish people I know don't have a Jewish surname. How do the Ivies know these kids are Jewish? Who exactly directs them to admit more Jewish kids? Why haven't any former admissions reps whistle blown, either to the press or to the Justice Dept.?

Yes they always know if you are Jewish. You check the box. If 40% of students are white and 30% are Jewish that means only 10% are white non Jews. That is blatant discrimination. It is not a conspiracy. It is a deep seeded way of control.

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The Ivy League is as corrupt as Hollywood because the same people control it. Weinstein was stealing money from the AIDS charity by funneling it through Harvard's American Repetory Theater.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a minority though? The big governmrnt wants you to think of skin deep colors.

The true diversity is not skin. It is ideas. Current society's sickening rules kill off anyone who does not fall in line.

Yes, you're all being marched off to death camps on a daily basis. You poor, poor things.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

So they're a 1/4 (or more) of basically all of the US's top colleges which they had no hand in building, and they still complain? Let me know when Korea, China, Japan let foreigners take over 25% of their few best colleges. It would never, ever happen. American guilt, or whatever, is asinine. There are literally millions of qualified multi-gen American teens that could and should fill these seats.

Did YOU have a hand in building the Ivy League? Unless you personally helped establish these institutions, you need to STFU. Universities don't belong to any particular group. They are open institutions that exist for everyone to attend, if they qualify and are selected.

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Did YOU have a hand in building the Ivy League? Unless you personally helped establish these institutions, you need to STFU. Universities don't belong to any particular group. They are open institutions that exist for everyone to attend, if they qualify and are selected.

Western culture built the Ivy League.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

So they're a 1/4 (or more) of basically all of the US's top colleges which they had no hand in building, and they still complain? Let me know when Korea, China, Japan let foreigners take over 25% of their few best colleges. It would never, ever happen. American guilt, or whatever, is asinine. There are literally millions of qualified multi-gen American teens that could and should fill these seats.

Did YOU have a hand in building the Ivy League? Unless you personally helped establish these institutions, you need to STFU. Universities don't belong to any particular group. They are open institutions that exist for everyone to attend, if they qualify and are selected.

I see you didn't answer PP's question. Multi-generation Americans are supposed to sit back and let the test-obsessed Asians take over all our leading educational institutions while their own home countries are controlled by racists who'd never allow non-Asians similar access to their universities.

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I see you didn't answer PP's question. Multi-generation Americans are supposed to sit back and let the test-obsessed Asians take over all our leading educational institutions while their own home countries are controlled by racists who'd never allow non-Asians similar access to their universities.

Exactly. Test-obsessed and unethical, because cheating in their culture is as natural as breathing.

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I’m surprised foreign intelligence services haven’t hacked admissions data from the top thirty schools and released it to sow discord in the country.

If I was a collection manager at fsb or Chinese intelligence, I would put resources into such an operation - I wonder if they know how much of a societal “pain point” this could be.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised foreign intelligence services haven’t hacked admissions data from the top thirty schools and released it to sow discord in the country.

If I was a collection manager at fsb or Chinese intelligence, I would put resources into such an operation - I wonder if they know how much of a societal “pain point” this could be.

Only a tiny % of the nation cares; it's mostly grubby desperate strivers are obsessed with college admissions. Rich pull some strings and handle it, or just send their kid to Trinity or Hobart and William Smith or Tulane and they're fine. Poor and middle class are too dull to care about anything more than the in-state flagships.

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League is as corrupt as Hollywood because the same people control it. Weinstein was stealing money from the AIDS charity by funneling it through Harvard's American Repetory Theater.

Precisely

Americans are waking up and starting to notice

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised foreign intelligence services haven’t hacked admissions data from the top thirty schools and released it to sow discord in the country.

If I was a collection manager at fsb or Chinese intelligence, I would put resources into such an operation - I wonder if they know how much of a societal “pain point” this could be.

Only a tiny % of the nation cares; it's mostly grubby desperate strivers are obsessed with college admissions. Rich pull some strings and handle it, or just send their kid to Trinity or Hobart and William Smith or Tulane and they're fine. Poor and middle class are too dull to care about anything more than the in-state flagships.

Actually even if it only affects a small portion of people, this issue gets lots of traction on breitbart and it’s ilk.

The wsj comment section blew up when this story was initially reported last week on

It isn’t a function of how many it truly affects but the optics.

Plus the type of people that it actually effects (mc/umc strivers) are loud and complain

See what happens when you try to take away itemized tax breaks that affect the umc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Justice Department threatening a lawsuit constitutes escalating.

Anyone can threaten a lawsuit, that doesn't mean the suit is meritorious.

Escalating and meritorious are two different things.

That is true. You are correct that the Justice Department is escalating its threats. Nothing else has changed about whether their case has any merit, so really this isn't news beyond showing how the Justice Department is flailing.

I think it shows how Harvard is stonewalling. If they have nothing to hide then why not produce the requested documents.

Exactly. I'm sure the data is damning.

Data "are". Data is plural which you would know if you went to Harvard. You obviously didn't read anything that was posted. This is three-year-old litigation involving claims by the Asian American community that they are being discriminated against when they have superior scores but are not allowed into the Ivies in representative numbers. the claim is identical to the anti-Jew sentiment and limits on the number of Jewish students admitted in the 50s and early 60s. Harvard is not producing the documents because it is "stonewalling". It has claimed the information is protected by FERPA. This is standard litigation posturing. The OP went off the rails not understanding what this litigation is about. Just google Seth Waxman Harvard litigation. The case has nothing to do with Harvard allegedly discriminating against minorities, URMs, Hispanics, Jews or the poor. It's about Asian Americans with the best test scores and GPAs not getting into the Ivies.

I'm aware that's it's plural. I'm also aware that only the most pedantic out there care anymore. From the WSJ: "Most style guides and dictionaries have come to accept the use of the noun data with either singular or plural verbs, and we hereby join the majority."

I'm also well aware that this case is about Asians with the best test scores being denied access. If/when the data comes out, it will be very illuminating.