Harvard under Investigation

[Anonymous]

? The Asian percent at Harvard is around or over 25% if you factor in mixed-race and international Asians as well. That is a huge chunk. At some of the more STEM oriented schools- MIT, Caltech, Rice, Harvey Mudd- the Asian population is larger than the Caucasian population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the elite American colleges WE built and our tax breaks and tax grants support should be taken over by international and first generation Asian swots! Yes!

Racist much?

Who decided the West needs to be invaded by foreigners at every level? They didn't build any of this. Millions of bright multi-gen Americans to fill those seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:? The Asian percent at Harvard is around or over 25% if you factor in mixed-race and international Asians as well. That is a huge chunk. At some of the more STEM oriented schools- MIT, Caltech, Rice, Harvey Mudd- the Asian population is larger than the Caucasian population.

Important to note about half the Caucasians are Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. The point is not about how Asians are over represented. The point is that Asians have to out score every group, and by A LOT in some cases, to get in. Yea yea I know about holistic approach, but IMO, "holistic" is just euphamis for affirmative action.

If a black student gets in even though he scored 500 points lower than the white or asian guy, but he has something else unique about him that the school wants, isn't that "holistic" approach?

Similarly, if a white student scoress 200 points lower than the Asian guy, but has something unique about him, then they will take the white guy over the asian guy.

Universities don't want 90% of the same types of Asian students, or white students, in their student body. I get that. But like I said, if you are against affirmative action, then you should also be against holistic approach.

--signed an asian

[Anonymous]

This Harvard lawsuit (now joined by the Jeff Session's DOJ) is part of a crusade funded by far-right foundations working with a guy in Maine who has filed more than two dozen suits against voting rights and affirmative action. The basic story is a guy who is outraged that black have voting rights that need protection and that they show up at all in elite schools. He's not trying to do Asian-Americans any favors, he just thinks blacks don't belong in office or on campus. That is the reason why there is not a single legitimate Asian-American organization that sided with the plaintiffs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/19/us/affirmative-action-lawsuits.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2016/

https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-liberal-arts-colleges-2016/

Overall vs. Black Acceptance Rate:

Emory- 25.2% vs 25.9%
Cornell- 14.1% vs 17.6%
UChicago- 7.9% vs 8.3%
Johns Hopkins- 11.9% vs 15.6%
USC- 16.6% vs 14.9%
Rice- 15.3% vs 16.7%
Pomona- 9.4% vs 16%
Wesleyan- 17% vs 12.9%
Davidson- 20.1% vs 13%
Colgate- 28.5% vs 16%
Vassar- 26.9% vs 26.8%
Barnard- 16.7% vs 14.1%

The gaps are not huge and often even lower (especially at LACs)

How is admit rat relevant to anything? Show me the stats of the admitted students.....that would be very revealing.

+1

I really hope PP is being sarcastic and is not actually that stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is a minority though? The big governmrnt wants you to think of skin deep colors.

The true diversity is not skin. It is ideas. Current society's sickening rules kill off anyone who does not fall in line.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2016/

https://www.jbhe.com/2017/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-liberal-arts-colleges-2016/

Overall vs. Black Acceptance Rate:

Emory- 25.2% vs 25.9%
Cornell- 14.1% vs 17.6%
UChicago- 7.9% vs 8.3%
Johns Hopkins- 11.9% vs 15.6%
USC- 16.6% vs 14.9%
Rice- 15.3% vs 16.7%
Pomona- 9.4% vs 16%
Wesleyan- 17% vs 12.9%
Davidson- 20.1% vs 13%
Colgate- 28.5% vs 16%
Vassar- 26.9% vs 26.8%
Barnard- 16.7% vs 14.1%

The gaps are not huge and often even lower (especially at LACs)

How is admit rat relevant to anything? Show me the stats of the admitted students.....that would be very revealing.

+1

I really hope PP is being sarcastic and is not actually that stupid.

My bet is that he's actually that stupid...welcome to "progressive" America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. The point is not about how Asians are over represented. The point is that Asians have to out score every group, and by A LOT in some cases, to get in. Yea yea I know about holistic approach, but IMO, "holistic" is just euphamis for affirmative action.

If a black student gets in even though he scored 500 points lower than the white or asian guy, but he has something else unique about him that the school wants, isn't that "holistic" approach?

Similarly, if a white student scoress 200 points lower than the Asian guy, but has something unique about him, then they will take the white guy over the asian guy.

Universities don't want 90% of the same types of Asian students, or white students, in their student body. I get that. But like I said, if you are against affirmative action, then you should also be against holistic approach.

--signed an asian

Ivys only admit status conscious Asians whose sole goal is to beat (and often cheat) the test scores, effectively preventing another group of "holistic Asian students" to EVER be considered, because the game playing high-test score Asians fill all the quota very quickly. Not to mention the quota includes a huge number of international students, meaning the talented American students of Asian heritage are systematically overlooked.

A huge injustice to a very specific group of real talented students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the elite American colleges WE built and our tax breaks and tax grants support should be taken over by international and first generation Asian swots! Yes!

Racist much?

Who decided the West needs to be invaded by foreigners at every level? They didn't build any of this. Millions of bright multi-gen Americans to fill those seats.

You sound positively deranged. You certainly didn’t build any ivy institution and yet you deserve.....what exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a mother of Hispanic descent. I never wrote Hispanic on any applications. I identify as white. But our college counselor said it would be to our advantage to have DS identify as Hispanic (even though we don't speak Spanish in the household) because he is 25% Hispanic. So there's that. We are a white family living in an affluent part of metro DC.

This is why diversity choices should be based on income only.

- Signed, fellow priviledge partial Hispanic who speaks English at home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a mother of Hispanic descent. I never wrote Hispanic on any applications. I identify as white. But our college counselor said it would be to our advantage to have DS identify as Hispanic (even though we don't speak Spanish in the household) because he is 25% Hispanic. So there's that. We are a white family living in an affluent part of metro DC.

This is why diversity choices should be based on income only.

- Signed, fellow priviledge partial Hispanic who speaks English at home

I agree....race based AA is a joke. I know so many children that checked the Hispanic box but identify as white and don’t know a thing about that (small) portion of their cultural history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I have a source: http://features.thecrimson.com/2017/freshman-survey/makeup/

2017- 25.2% Asian
2018- 24.3% Asian
2019- 23.5% Asian
2020- 26.6% Asian
2021- 23.8% Asian

If you look at just domestic students alone, Asians represent 24% of Harvard's student group (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html) and average about 22% at all 8 Ivies. The domestic Asian percent is 5.6%. That means Asians are highly over-represented at the Ivies- by a factor of 4 times. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. The point is not about how Asians are over represented. The point is that Asians have to out score every group, and by A LOT in some cases, to get in. Yea yea I know about holistic approach, but IMO, "holistic" is just euphamis for affirmative action.

If a black student gets in even though he scored 500 points lower than the white or asian guy, but he has something else unique about him that the school wants, isn't that "holistic" approach?

Similarly, if a white student scoress 200 points lower than the Asian guy, but has something unique about him, then they will take the white guy over the asian guy.

Universities don't want 90% of the same types of Asian students, or white students, in their student body. I get that. But like I said, if you are against affirmative action, then you should also be against holistic approach.

--signed an asian

But there are many types of Asians with higher scores and qualifications. Why would you think they would all be the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a mother of Hispanic descent. I never wrote Hispanic on any applications. I identify as white. But our college counselor said it would be to our advantage to have DS identify as Hispanic (even though we don't speak Spanish in the household) because he is 25% Hispanic. So there's that. We are a white family living in an affluent part of metro DC.

This is why diversity choices should be based on income only.

- Signed, fellow priviledge partial Hispanic who speaks English at home

I agree....race based AA is a joke. I know so many children that checked the Hispanic box but identify as white and don’t know a thing about that (small) portion of their cultural history.

Try asking AAs to name 5 African cities.