What is all of this hyperventilating about the Russians?

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

So CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, et al. are also guilty then? What if one of those media outlets is foreign-owned? Does that also justify clutching one's pearls?

Allegations of hacking by Russia is now pearl clutching. Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the Democrats are hysterical because they thought Hillary was a cinch to win the election and for them the only question was how much of a landslide it would be in terms of the electoral college.

Hillary lost and, in fact, got trounced. They cannot get over that shock and then it makes it worse that they thought they would gain control of the Senate but that did not happen. They even thought there was an outside chance that they would regain control of the House and that also did not happen. So it has been a loss on every front.

The crowning humiliation is that Trump does not give a shit what the Democrats or the media thinks so when they rant about him, he just makes fun of them and mocks them. He has nominated people for his cabinet who Democrats don't like and he tells them to go fly a kite.

The Democrats don't know how to deal with him so they went with Jill Stein's recount which blew up in their faces. Now their latest ploy is to use the Russian hacking to get the electoral college to vote against Trump and they will lose on this as well. After all, one of the leaders of that effort is Nancy Pelosi's daughter which tells you how desperate they are! After he is inaugurated, they will start about impeaching Trump and that too will pass ........

Trump's nominees will get confirmed courtesy of Harry Reid who used the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster! So Reid is there ranting about everything under the sun about Trump and the FBI and Comey and the Russians and he does not realize that he is yesterday's news.

This, exactly. The MSM, Obama and the Dems have lost all credibility outside of their sanctuary city bubbles. They are all desperate to remain relevant.

The Russian trolls have returned. Your attempts at distraction won't work. There will be an investigation to determine why Trump's top aides (Flynn, Mannafort, and Phillips) had contact with senior Russian officials though out the summer and exactly how much money and to whom in Russia Trump owes money.

Of course, he could just release his tax returns, that would save some time.

I encourage investigation of any improprieties and if anyone broke the law, he/she should be prosecuted. But I can assure you that if they are cleared Democrats will be claiming that it was a fix!

I seriously doubt he will release any tax returns and, guess what, the electorate does not give a shit about it because otherwise they would not have voted for him. You really don't get it!

Ah, but only 46% of the electorate voted for him. The 48% that voted for Clinton and the 6% that voted other candidates do care.

He won the presidency despite not releasing his tax returns - so for those who voted for him the failure to release his tax returns was not a deal breaker. Yes, Hillary won the popular vote but that is not the mechanism for awarding the presidency. If you don't like it then work to change the constitution.

So you agree that the majority of voters (i.e. those who voted for Hillary) do care about his tax returns and conflicts of interest.

I have no idea how important the tax returns were to the majority of Hillary voters. The ones who I know who voted for Hillary did so because they thought Trump did not have the background to be president and there were others who felt that Hillary had her flaws but they wanted a woman to be president - so it was plain and simple a gender issue, which is not to say they did not think that she was qualified.

I don't know a single person who said that they could not vote for Trump because he was not releasing his tax returns.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are angry that the Russians revealed true and unfavorable things about the Dems? That's what this "scandal" is about? They are angry that they weren't able to get away with their lies and crimes and that somebody exposed them? Dems have the mainstream media to exclusively publish harmful stories about the republicans and to pair up with Dems leaking info about trump's "grab em!" statement etc. So Dems are just angry that the republicans were able to level the playing field? How silly. All is fair in love and war.

Politicos, especially those who lose, hate whistleblowers.

I say, the truth matters much more than how we get to it.

Which is exactly why whistleblower protection programs exist...but don't tell that to conspiratorial Podesta or server-in-the-closet Hillary.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are angry that the Russians revealed true and unfavorable things about the Dems? That's what this "scandal" is about? They are angry that they weren't able to get away with their lies and crimes and that somebody exposed them? Dems have the mainstream media to exclusively publish harmful stories about the republicans and to pair up with Dems leaking info about trump's "grab em!" statement etc. So Dems are just angry that the republicans were able to level the playing field? How silly. All is fair in love and war.

Politicos, especially those who lose, hate whistleblowers.

I say, the truth matters much more than how we get to it.

Which is exactly why whistleblower protection programs exist...but don't tell that to conspiratorial Podesta or server-in-the-closet Hillary.

I think Snowden was wrong, although I think he thought he was on the side of right. I think Guccifer 2.0 knew exactly what he was doing. Do you think Guccifer 2.0 was on the side of right?

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If Clinton won we'd never hear a peep about this. This is Obama/Clinton's vessel to taint Trump's win -- that's all. Sour grapes.

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Anonymous wrote:If Clinton won we'd never hear a peep about this. This is Obama/Clinton's vessel to taint Trump's win -- that's all. Sour grapes.

We heard about this all summer and fall.

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Anonymous wrote:If Clinton won we'd never hear a peep about this. This is Obama/Clinton's vessel to taint Trump's win -- that's all. Sour grapes.

We heard about this all summer and fall.

And Obama did nothing about it. Because he's a Russian mole.

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Anonymous wrote:If Clinton won we'd never hear a peep about this. This is Obama/Clinton's vessel to taint Trump's win -- that's all. Sour grapes.

We heard about this all summer and fall.

And Obama did nothing about it. Because he's a Russian mole.

Obama and Trump in cahoots to promote the Russian agenda! You figured it out!!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

We don't have hard proof that the leakers were able to accomplish an R hack like they did for the Dems. Maybe the RNC had better cyber security. Maybe none of the Repubs were stupid enough to fall for a phishing email like Podesta.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Clinton won we'd never hear a peep about this. This is Obama/Clinton's vessel to taint Trump's win -- that's all. Sour grapes.

We heard about this all summer and fall.

When did Obama order an investigation? When did he promise retaliation? Was it before or after Hillary lost?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the Democrats are hysterical because they thought Hillary was a cinch to win the election and for them the only question was how much of a landslide it would be in terms of the electoral college.

Hillary lost and, in fact, got trounced. They cannot get over that shock and then it makes it worse that they thought they would gain control of the Senate but that did not happen. They even thought there was an outside chance that they would regain control of the House and that also did not happen. So it has been a loss on every front.

The crowning humiliation is that Trump does not give a shit what the Democrats or the media thinks so when they rant about him, he just makes fun of them and mocks them. He has nominated people for his cabinet who Democrats don't like and he tells them to go fly a kite.

The Democrats don't know how to deal with him so they went with Jill Stein's recount which blew up in their faces. Now their latest ploy is to use the Russian hacking to get the electoral college to vote against Trump and they will lose on this as well. After all, one of the leaders of that effort is Nancy Pelosi's daughter which tells you how desperate they are! After he is inaugurated, they will start about impeaching Trump and that too will pass ........

Trump's nominees will get confirmed courtesy of Harry Reid who used the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster! So Reid is there ranting about everything under the sun about Trump and the FBI and Comey and the Russians and he does not realize that he is yesterday's news.

This, exactly. The MSM, Obama and the Dems have lost all credibility outside of their sanctuary city bubbles. They are all desperate to remain relevant.

The Russian trolls have returned. Your attempts at distraction won't work. There will be an investigation to determine why Trump's top aides (Flynn, Mannafort, and Phillips) had contact with senior Russian officials though out the summer and exactly how much money and to whom in Russia Trump owes money.

Of course, he could just release his tax returns, that would save some time.

I encourage investigation of any improprieties and if anyone broke the law, he/she should be prosecuted. But I can assure you that if they are cleared Democrats will be claiming that it was a fix!

I seriously doubt he will release any tax returns and, guess what, the electorate does not give a shit about it because otherwise they would not have voted for him. You really don't get it!

Ah, but only 46% of the electorate voted for him. The 48% that voted for Clinton and the 6% that voted other candidates do care.

He won the presidency despite not releasing his tax returns - so for those who voted for him the failure to release his tax returns was not a deal breaker. Yes, Hillary won the popular vote but that is not the mechanism for awarding the presidency. If you don't like it then work to change the constitution.

So you agree that the majority of voters (i.e. those who voted for Hillary) do care about his tax returns and conflicts of interest.

I have no idea how important the tax returns were to the majority of Hillary voters. The ones who I know who voted for Hillary did so because they thought Trump did not have the background to be president and there were others who felt that Hillary had her flaws but they wanted a woman to be president - so it was plain and simple a gender issue, which is not to say they did not think that she was qualified.

I don't know a single person who said that they could not vote for Trump because he was not releasing his tax returns.

Well, now you know me. It was one of many many reasons I could not vote for him, and it was an important one.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the Republican emails weren't filled with delicious inside gossip that would have shown them to be horses' asses in the same manner that the Democrat emails were, so they weren't worth bothering to release.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Republican emails weren't filled with delicious inside gossip that would have shown them to be horses' asses in the same manner that the Democrat emails were, so they weren't worth bothering to release.

judging from peotus' twitter feed, tgat has to be the wrongest thing said on this board, all year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

We don't have hard proof that the leakers were able to accomplish an R hack like they did for the Dems. Maybe the RNC had better cyber security. Maybe none of the Repubs were stupid enough to fall for a phishing email like Podesta.

There are Republican emails on DC Leaks, including RNC ones. Not many, but some. From the Smartech vendor, who was hacked.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/rnc-e-mail-was-hacked-901763

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Anonymous wrote:If Clinton won we'd never hear a peep about this. This is Obama/Clinton's vessel to taint Trump's win -- that's all. Sour grapes.

Extremely sour grapes, because Obama DARED the electorate to vote against Hillary. He told his constituencies that failing to get out the vote for Hillary would be the equivalent of a repudiation of his legacy.

This is probably the first time in history that an extremely popular two term incumbent had such a negative coattail effect on a candidate from his own party.

It's because his popularity was lopsided and skewed just as Hillary's popular vote total was. Obama was never able to reach out to the other side of the aisle during 8 years in office. His constituencies believe that's due to "racism" but in reality, it's because Obama was and is an arrogant, incompetent ass who can't get along with people in the other party and doesn't know how to have a civil difference of opinion with his political adversaries.

So he and his party got their asses handed to them.