What is all of this hyperventilating about the Russians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's take a poll because there seems to be some a great deal of misunderstanding and ambiguity about the matter.

Is it a cause for concern for a foreign power to manipulate our election or not?

A) Yes, because...

B) No, because...

A) Yes because the integrity of our election process is one of the key planks that underpins our democracy.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's take a poll because there seems to be some a great deal of misunderstanding and ambiguity about the matter.

Is it a cause for concern for a foreign power to manipulate our election or not?

A) Yes, because...

B) No, because...

False premis. No one "manipulated" the election results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the Democrats are hysterical because they thought Hillary was a cinch to win the election and for them the only question was how much of a landslide it would be in terms of the electoral college.

Hillary lost and, in fact, got trounced. They cannot get over that shock and then it makes it worse that they thought they would gain control of the Senate but that did not happen. They even thought there was an outside chance that they would regain control of the House and that also did not happen. So it has been a loss on every front.

The crowning humiliation is that Trump does not give a shit what the Democrats or the media thinks so when they rant about him, he just makes fun of them and mocks them. He has nominated people for his cabinet who Democrats don't like and he tells them to go fly a kite.

The Democrats don't know how to deal with him so they went with Jill Stein's recount which blew up in their faces. Now their latest ploy is to use the Russian hacking to get the electoral college to vote against Trump and they will lose on this as well. After all, one of the leaders of that effort is Nancy Pelosi's daughter which tells you how desperate they are! After he is inaugurated, they will start about impeaching Trump and that too will pass ........

Trump's nominees will get confirmed courtesy of Harry Reid who used the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster! So Reid is there ranting about everything under the sun about Trump and the FBI and Comey and the Russians and he does not realize that he is yesterday's news.

This, exactly. The MSM, Obama and the Dems have lost all credibility outside of their sanctuary city bubbles. They are all desperate to remain relevant.

The Russian trolls have returned. Your attempts at distraction won't work. There will be an investigation to determine why Trump's top aides (Flynn, Mannafort, and Phillips) had contact with senior Russian officials though out the summer and exactly how much money and to whom in Russia Trump owes money.

Of course, he could just release his tax returns, that would save some time.

I encourage investigation of any improprieties and if anyone broke the law, he/she should be prosecuted. But I can assure you that if they are cleared Democrats will be claiming that it was a fix!

I seriously doubt he will release any tax returns and, guess what, the electorate does not give a shit about it because otherwise they would not have voted for him. You really don't get it!

You forget the only other options was Hillary. I think the electorate does care (not the 30% or so super-Trumpers, but the rest).
Winning against Hillary is really not such a badge of honor or sign of success.

Now, this I agree with but the Democrats nominated Hillary and really screwed themselves in the process ....... and that is the main reason they lost against Trump. Not the Russian hacking ....... it was plain and simple because you nominated a totally flawed candidate who had no message.

So own it and try and have a winning message, agenda and candidate in 2020.

This is not an election issue, it is a governance issue. I'm really not ok with Trump being president if there is proof of collaboration between his campaign and Putin. Are you?

I don't think anyone would intel agencies have said that is not the case

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dems are angry that the Russians revealed true and unfavorable things about the Dems? That's what this "scandal" is about? They are angry that they weren't able to get away with their lies and crimes and that somebody exposed them? Dems have the mainstream media to exclusively publish harmful stories about the republicans and to pair up with Dems leaking info about trump's "grab em!" statement etc. So Dems are just angry that the republicans were able to level the playing field? How silly. All is fair in love and war.

It's about the EU and the globalists wanting Ukraine in the EU and they need a foe, however make believe it is. Russia's GDP is equivalent to Italy. This is such a farce.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

Exactly correct.

[Anonymous]

It's about a lot more that the election results -- Trump is surrounded by Putin-ites -- Manafort, Flynn and now Tillerson as well. Phillips is back in Russia, but presumably is still "advising" Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are angry that the Russians revealed true and unfavorable things about the Dems? That's what this "scandal" is about? They are angry that they weren't able to get away with their lies and crimes and that somebody exposed them? Dems have the mainstream media to exclusively publish harmful stories about the republicans and to pair up with Dems leaking info about trump's "grab em!" statement etc. So Dems are just angry that the republicans were able to level the playing field? How silly. All is fair in love and war.

It's about the EU and the globalists wanting Ukraine in the EU and they need a foe, however make believe it is. Russia's GDP is equivalent to Italy. This is such a farce.

Yeah, okay. I just came back from Sweden and Norway and they do not find this a farce AT ALL. They are very, very concerned about Russia's intentions.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

And, what is the impact when the RNC material is withheld as hostage to get blackmail results?

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

Exactly correct.

The Russians tried against the RNC. But the RNC didn't fall for it . . .http://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-national-committee-security-foiled-russian-hackers-1481850043

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

More information the better, right? So let's badger them to release the RNC emails they hacked as well! We need ALL of the emails they hacked. Republicans' as well as Democrats'. Moreover, let's have them hack into all federal emails, including NSA and CIA emails, and release them all. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

OP, leaking true private information, including negative information about candidates, is manipulation.

Read the NYT article that another poster posted. Here it is for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/house-democrats-hacking-dccc.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Leaking TRUE information is not the same as "manipulating" an election. If it was, then every media outlet, including (gasp!) foreign media outlets, would be guilty of "manipulating" the election results. Now if Russia hacked the voting machines and actually changed the vote count, that would be a totally different story. Releasing true information is the way our society works. If our domestic media sources are totally biased and will only break negative stories about one candidate, then that's a problem that I'm happy to have an external entity fix. Bravo to them for doing so.

it is manipulation when you only leak information about one party in the election.

So CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, et al. are also guilty then? What if one of those media outlets is foreign-owned? Does that also justify clutching one's pearls?

[Anonymous]

It's not Russia hacking as much because obviously the US has done it to other countries. It is the inability of Republicans to even see it as s problem and even more importantly, there are some of us who worry that the Trump campaign (at least some elements of it) knew and colluded with a foreign government to get elected.