Cast of Hamilton makes statement to Pence at the end of the show.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amusing that celebrities actually think that intelligent person gives two shits about their political views.

They must because Pence was dying to see the show.

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Exactly right. If your arsenal consists of patronizing lectures and scorn, your weapons suck.

And when your weapon is hate, fear and supression, it is a lot worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

Which part of that message was partisan? That was a direct statement of their feelings and fears to the man who has been elected vice president.

They didn't challenge his legitimacy. They didn't refuse to perform while he was in the audience.

They did their job, and at the end of the show they used their opportunity to ask him to make sure the administration he is a part of represents them, as well.

Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.

I feel the same way about coercing women into having a funeral for a fetus..

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i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

I simply disagree. Well, maybe the WMATA one, because it is quasi-government, but otherwise, entertainers, athletes and regular Americans have the right to express themselves when and where they want. Just because you are uncomfortable with the message doesn't make your opinion right. You probably agree that is ok for a town to display a manger scene at Christmas time (I do), but possibly object to Channukah lights as well? It isn't dis-similar, other than the religious component.

If you don't like it, then don't go to the play or download its soundtrack.

I think if someone is being paid to work or perform, then they are doing a disservice to their employer if they take advantage of their paid position to express personal opinions that are not in any way related to the job they are being paid for.

I give lots of speeches on behalf of my employer. If I expressed highly political or personal opinions during those speeches I would be fired immediately because that is not what I am being paid for and because my actions will certainly alienate some of my employer's potential clients and customers who heard my comments.

If they want to express their opinions while off-duty that is obviously fine with me, but not while on the job.

Their employers - the show's producer, director, and creator - jointly wrote the statement with input from the cast.
Try again, weasel.

So you will be fine with conservative employers and their employees lecturing when you go into their stores -- telling you to support the new President? I doubt you would be OK with that, but under your logic you must be OK with both.

I would stop going to their stores. Just like I've stopped going to a number of stores whose owners condone discrimination.

You probably also argue for cake bakers to have the right one to turn away gay customers.

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, most, if not all of the cast of Hamilton are Americans. They have a right to express their opinions. How is freedom of speech and an expression that the newly elected vice-president should learn from the lessons of the play something that should be stifled?

The fact is that the cast represents latinos, gays, african-americans, jews, muslims etc who are all very nervous about the past actions of senior administration officials.

Are you suggesting that their right to free expression should be suppressed? One of the cast members is an openly gay man with HIV. According to Pence, he should be given mandatory conversion treatment.

Is that an American value?

Maybe Pence saw the show to broaden his mind about his fellow countrymen

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Anonymous wrote:How the hell could they possibly deliver that message to Hillary when Hillary's policies did not negatively impact immigrants and minorities and women?

And when she DIDN'T EFFING WIN? You all really need to shut it about Hillary and actually defend the administration you voted in. You don't have Hillary to kick around anymore.

Because she was horrible. And ran an awful campaign. The only good thing about Trump being president is that the damn Clintons will finally take a seat.

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So you will be fine with conservative employers and their employees lecturing when you go into their stores -- telling you to support the new President? I doubt you would be OK with that, but under your logic you must be OK with both.

I take it you haven't seen the boycott lists of things like Yuengling Beer that have executives who are Trump supporters?

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i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

I simply disagree. Well, maybe the WMATA one, because it is quasi-government, but otherwise, entertainers, athletes and regular Americans have the right to express themselves when and where they want. Just because you are uncomfortable with the message doesn't make your opinion right. You probably agree that is ok for a town to display a manger scene at Christmas time (I do), but possibly object to Channukah lights as well? It isn't dis-similar, other than the religious component.

If you don't like it, then don't go to the play or download its soundtrack.

I think if someone is being paid to work or perform, then they are doing a disservice to their employer if they take advantage of their paid position to express personal opinions that are not in any way related to the job they are being paid for.

I give lots of speeches on behalf of my employer. If I expressed highly political or personal opinions during those speeches I would be fired immediately because that is not what I am being paid for and because my actions will certainly alienate some of my employer's potential clients and customers who heard my comments.

If they want to express their opinions while off-duty that is obviously fine with me, but not while on the job.

Their "employer" is Lin Manuel Miranda who, in fact, also wrote the cast's statement to Pence and deliberately cast the play with minorities to make a statement about the importance of diveristy in America; a message with which Trump and Pence and their supporters disagree. There is no employer/employee difference here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

I simply disagree. Well, maybe the WMATA one, because it is quasi-government, but otherwise, entertainers, athletes and regular Americans have the right to express themselves when and where they want. Just because you are uncomfortable with the message doesn't make your opinion right. You probably agree that is ok for a town to display a manger scene at Christmas time (I do), but possibly object to Channukah lights as well? It isn't dis-similar, other than the religious component.

If you don't like it, then don't go to the play or download its soundtrack.

I think if someone is being paid to work or perform, then they are doing a disservice to their employer if they take advantage of their paid position to express personal opinions that are not in any way related to the job they are being paid for.

I give lots of speeches on behalf of my employer. If I expressed highly political or personal opinions during those speeches I would be fired immediately because that is not what I am being paid for and because my actions will certainly alienate some of my employer's potential clients and customers who heard my comments.

If they want to express their opinions while off-duty that is obviously fine with me, but not while on the job.

Their employers - the show's producer, director, and creator - jointly wrote the statement with input from the cast.
Try again, weasel.

So you will be fine with conservative employers and their employees lecturing when you go into their stores -- telling you to support the new President? I doubt you would be OK with that, but under your logic you must be OK with both.

Mmmmm, the smell of desperation goes nicely with my bacon this morning. Keep squealing!

Again, if you read the article you'll see that all the actors strongly supported the statement.
Plus, why would employees lecture random people in a store? This was a specific case of the VP watching the show. They won't give this speech every night.

If Pence doesn't want to get speeches from his constituents, he can show more respect for their rights. Easy peasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's amusing that celebrities actually think that intelligent person gives two shits about their political views.

Like "celebrity" Scott Baio who was featured at the GOP convention?

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Anonymous wrote:How the hell could they possibly deliver that message to Hillary when Hillary's policies did not negatively impact immigrants and minorities and women?

And when she DIDN'T EFFING WIN? You all really need to shut it about Hillary and actually defend the administration you voted in. You don't have Hillary to kick around anymore.

Because she was horrible. And ran an awful campaign. The only good thing about Trump being president is that the damn Clintons will finally take a seat.

Way to miss the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

It does seem arrogant and entitled.

What's arrogant and entitled is Pence demanding tickets to a sold out show for himself, family and secret service.

Provide a source as to this is what happened. How do you know he wasn’t INVITED?
And, did you say the same when Hilary and her gang attended?

It's in all the news articles. He asked.

And yes, I actually do think it's onboxious for big shots to use their clout to get into highly sought after sold out events.

Source?

Here it is. From the original link. (Do you read anything??)

"Seller told The Hollywood Reporter that Pence had requested to attend the performance earlier that day."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Last time I checked, most, if not all of the cast of Hamilton are Americans. They have a right to express their opinions. How is freedom of speech and an expression that the newly elected vice-president should learn from the lessons of the play something that should be stifled?

The fact is that the cast represents latinos, gays, african-americans, jews, muslims etc who are all very nervous about the past actions of senior administration officials.

Are you suggesting that their right to free expression should be suppressed? One of the cast members is an openly gay man with HIV. According to Pence, he should be given mandatory conversion treatment.

Is that an American value?

Maybe Pence saw the show to broaden his mind about his fellow countrymen

Right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Exactly right. If your arsenal consists of patronizing lectures and scorn, your weapons suck.

And when your weapon is hate, fear and supression, it is a lot worse.

Is it? Because you lost to whatever trump and pence are selling. How bad does your message have to be to lose against that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

Which part of that message was partisan? That was a direct statement of their feelings and fears to the man who has been elected vice president.

They didn't challenge his legitimacy. They didn't refuse to perform while he was in the audience.

They did their job, and at the end of the show they used their opportunity to ask him to make sure the administration he is a part of represents them, as well.

Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.

Why should the government subject a woman to a coerced funeral for a fetus?