Cast of Hamilton makes statement to Pence at the end of the show.

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Anonymous wrote:I love when Trumpkins pretend to have been democrats.

So you honestly can't fathom the idea that the Democratic Party has turned off many of its former supporters? Because you should probably try.

Agree. See, the people calling others "Trumpkins" simply aren't bright enough to grasp that many of us were once Democrats. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama - both times. But the whiny, pathetic victimization politics of today's liberal Democrats hold no appeal for me at all. I don't have any desire to be associated with this group. I guess I'm now an Independent.

+1.

If Democrats want to be the AA and BLM party, it's their right of course but they've lost my vote.

Oh god, not this again. Frankly, I couldn't t be happier if true, as the two of you are the last folks I would want on my side, but really, not buying a word of it.

Not buying a word of what? That people can, and do, change their political affiliation when they see that they just don't have much in common with a certain party? I grew up in a family of Democrats. Always voted for the Democratic candidate. Until a few years ago, when I realized the Democratic party, by and large, had morphed into something unrecognizable. Safe spaces? Trigger warnings? Calling those who disagreed with them, "racists, xenophobes, and sexist"? No thanks. I decided I was tired of being told what to think and what to say. It's no surprise to me at all that the Democrats lost the election. They've gone for too long thinking their way was the only way, and that half the country was simply stupid. When you start thinking you're superior to others, you should really expect that things aren't going to continue going your way any longer.

Of course I believe people can change party affiliation, but you are either crazy or a paid poster. Your writing style is quite distinct.

PP here. Since I'm neither crazy nor being paid, I'd love to know what you mean by my writing style is "quite distinct." Care to elaborate?

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't saying the Republicans are predominantly a White Power party -- i.e., a party made up mostly of people who believe in White Power. But right now, almost everyone who believes in White Power voted for Trump, and Trump is doing a terrible job of making those people feel unwelcome, so you have to figure he wants them.

I mean, what do the mon White Power people who voted for Trump think he should do about the people who are making racist and anti-Muslim threats in his name? Like the teacher who harangued a first grade Muslim boy about not being welcome here anymore now that Trump won? Or Southern Poverty Law Center's reports that there has been a severe increase in intimidation of minorities since the election and over 500 incidents reported. Do you think Trump is doing enough to discourage this behavior?

I'll answer - no, I don't think Trump is being forceful enough in repudiating the White Power faction of voters. I definitely think he could and should do more to make it clear that his administration will not tolerate racist behavior.

With that said, I also feel it's important to note that MANY of these reported incidents have been fabricated. I think there's been plenty of opportunity for disgruntled liberals to make up fake scenarios in the hopes of trying to prove their own sick points.

Additionally, wasn't it the liberals who perpetuated the FALSE rumor that Trump would be sending Muslim citizens to internment camps? Pretty irresponsible, wouldn't you say?

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Anonymous wrote:I love when Trumpkins pretend to have been democrats.

So you honestly can't fathom the idea that the Democratic Party has turned off many of its former supporters? Because you should probably try.

Agree. See, the people calling others "Trumpkins" simply aren't bright enough to grasp that many of us were once Democrats. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama - both times. But the whiny, pathetic victimization politics of today's liberal Democrats hold no appeal for me at all. I don't have any desire to be associated with this group. I guess I'm now an Independent.

+1.

If Democrats want to be the AA and BLM party, it's their right of course but they've lost my vote.

Oh god, not this again. Frankly, I couldn't t be happier if true, as the two of you are the last folks I would want on my side, but really, not buying a word of it.

Not buying a word of what? That people can, and do, change their political affiliation when they see that they just don't have much in common with a certain party? I grew up in a family of Democrats. Always voted for the Democratic candidate. Until a few years ago, when I realized the Democratic party, by and large, had morphed into something unrecognizable. Safe spaces? Trigger warnings? Calling those who disagreed with them, "racists, xenophobes, and sexist"? No thanks. I decided I was tired of being told what to think and what to say. It's no surprise to me at all that the Democrats lost the election. They've gone for too long thinking their way was the only way, and that half the country was simply stupid. When you start thinking you're superior to others, you should really expect that things aren't going to continue going your way any longer.

Of course I believe people can change party affiliation, but you are either crazy or a paid poster. Your writing style is quite distinct.

Not the PP. I you mean his/her writing style is intelligent and therefore distinct, I can agree with you. What you are seeing in the post above is the words of someone who was well-raised and who is a critical thinker. I know that's hard for progressives to understand as they need compliance.

Sock puppeting

Uh, no. I'm the PP who said I had left the Democratic party. I'm not the PP directly above. I know it rankles when people agree with each other and clearly make you look like a moron, but it happens. Blaming it on sock puppeting is just the laziest excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't saying the Republicans are predominantly a White Power party -- i.e., a party made up mostly of people who believe in White Power. But right now, almost everyone who believes in White Power voted for Trump, and Trump is doing a terrible job of making those people feel unwelcome, so you have to figure he wants them.

I mean, what do the mon White Power people who voted for Trump think he should do about the people who are making racist and anti-Muslim threats in his name? Like the teacher who harangued a first grade Muslim boy about not being welcome here anymore now that Trump won? Or Southern Poverty Law Center's reports that there has been a severe increase in intimidation of minorities since the election and over 500 incidents reported. Do you think Trump is doing enough to discourage this behavior?

I'll answer - no, I don't think Trump is being forceful enough in repudiating the White Power faction of voters. I definitely think he could and should do more to make it clear that his administration will not tolerate racist behavior.

With that said, I also feel it's important to note that MANY of these reported incidents have been fabricated. I think there's been plenty of opportunity for disgruntled liberals to make up fake scenarios in the hopes of trying to prove their own sick points.

Additionally, wasn't it the liberals who perpetuated the FALSE rumor that Trump would be sending Muslim citizens to internment camps? Pretty irresponsible, wouldn't you say?

I don't want to argue because I am glad we can find something that we can agree on. I have long felt that many Trump supporters are not themselves racist, sexist, etc, and just wanted a change from the status quo in DC. And that those people should be speaking out, like me, against the white nationalists and anti-Muslim factions in the party, because that is not what we/they want or stand for.

I am not sure about an interment camp rumor, but wouldn't that have started after a Trump surrogate on CNN used the Supreme Court decision defending the US Interrment camps of Japanese citizens in WW2 (the Korematzu decision, long derided and disavowed by legal scholars and civil rights lawyers) to support Trump's planned actions against Muslims? And if you cite a decision where the US put citizens involuntarily into interment camps to defend what you want to do, it seems to me that it's not crazy to imagine that at some point you might put citizens into interment camps. I mean, no one knows what Trump will do! Camps seem possible.

But for real, I'm sorry to belabor the point because I really don't want to argue with you and I am glad we can agree that white nationalists should t be welcome in either party.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't saying the Republicans are predominantly a White Power party -- i.e., a party made up mostly of people who believe in White Power. But right now, almost everyone who believes in White Power voted for Trump, and Trump is doing a terrible job of making those people feel unwelcome, so you have to figure he wants them.

I mean, what do the mon White Power people who voted for Trump think he should do about the people who are making racist and anti-Muslim threats in his name? Like the teacher who harangued a first grade Muslim boy about not being welcome here anymore now that Trump won? Or Southern Poverty Law Center's reports that there has been a severe increase in intimidation of minorities since the election and over 500 incidents reported. Do you think Trump is doing enough to discourage this behavior?

I'll answer - no, I don't think Trump is being forceful enough in repudiating the White Power faction of voters. I definitely think he could and should do more to make it clear that his administration will not tolerate racist behavior.

With that said, I also feel it's important to note that MANY of these reported incidents have been fabricated. I think there's been plenty of opportunity for disgruntled liberals to make up fake scenarios in the hopes of trying to prove their own sick points.

Additionally, wasn't it the liberals who perpetuated the FALSE rumor that Trump would be sending Muslim citizens to internment camps? Pretty irresponsible, wouldn't you say?

I don't want to argue because I am glad we can find something that we can agree on. I have long felt that many Trump supporters are not themselves racist, sexist, etc, and just wanted a change from the status quo in DC. And that those people should be speaking out, like me, against the white nationalists and anti-Muslim factions in the party, because that is not what we/they want or stand for.

I am not sure about an interment camp rumor, but wouldn't that have started after a Trump surrogate on CNN used the Supreme Court decision defending the US Interrment camps of Japanese citizens in WW2 (the Korematzu decision, long derided and disavowed by legal scholars and civil rights lawyers) to support Trump's planned actions against Muslims? And if you cite a decision where the US put citizens involuntarily into interment camps to defend what you want to do, it seems to me that it's not crazy to imagine that at some point you might put citizens into interment camps. I mean, no one knows what Trump will do! Camps seem possible.

But for real, I'm sorry to belabor the point because I really don't want to argue with you and I am glad we can agree that white nationalists should t be welcome in either party.

PP. do you really, truly believe that Trump would put US citizens in internment camps? And to what purpose?

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I would not really be surprised if Trump attempted to put US Muslim citizens into interment camps until he and his administration figure out "exactly what the hell is going on" -- those were his words, right? If he believes, as he has said, that it's the religion of ISLAM that is the problem, for radicalizing people, then all Muslims are suspect, and under Korematzu, WHICH HIS OWN SURROGATES CITED IN DEBATE ON CNN, he might try to put Muslim citizens into interment camps until such time as they were determined to be not a threat.

Let me be clear: I think this is crazy. But you don't send your surrogates off to cite Korematzu and then say "well where on earth did they get the idea we wanted to put citizens into interment camps?" Because that's what happened in Korematzu, the case you just cited!

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How much does the Kennedy Center plan to charge for this?

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't saying the Republicans are predominantly a White Power party -- i.e., a party made up mostly of people who believe in White Power. But right now, almost everyone who believes in White Power voted for Trump, and Trump is doing a terrible job of making those people feel unwelcome, so you have to figure he wants them.

I mean, what do the mon White Power people who voted for Trump think he should do about the people who are making racist and anti-Muslim threats in his name? Like the teacher who harangued a first grade Muslim boy about not being welcome here anymore now that Trump won? Or Southern Poverty Law Center's reports that there has been a severe increase in intimidation of minorities since the election and over 500 incidents reported. Do you think Trump is doing enough to discourage this behavior?

I'll answer - no, I don't think Trump is being forceful enough in repudiating the White Power faction of voters. I definitely think he could and should do more to make it clear that his administration will not tolerate racist behavior.

With that said, I also feel it's important to note that MANY of these reported incidents have been fabricated. I think there's been plenty of opportunity for disgruntled liberals to make up fake scenarios in the hopes of trying to prove their own sick points.

Additionally, wasn't it the liberals who perpetuated the FALSE rumor that Trump would be sending Muslim citizens to internment camps? Pretty irresponsible, wouldn't you say?

I don't want to argue because I am glad we can find something that we can agree on. I have long felt that many Trump supporters are not themselves racist, sexist, etc, and just wanted a change from the status quo in DC. And that those people should be speaking out, like me, against the white nationalists and anti-Muslim factions in the party, because that is not what we/they want or stand for.

I am not sure about an interment camp rumor, but wouldn't that have started after a Trump surrogate on CNN used the Supreme Court decision defending the US Interrment camps of Japanese citizens in WW2 (the Korematzu decision, long derided and disavowed by legal scholars and civil rights lawyers) to support Trump's planned actions against Muslims? And if you cite a decision where the US put citizens involuntarily into interment camps to defend what you want to do, it seems to me that it's not crazy to imagine that at some point you might put citizens into interment camps. I mean, no one knows what Trump will do! Camps seem possible.

But for real, I'm sorry to belabor the point because I really don't want to argue with you and I am glad we can agree that white nationalists should t be welcome in either party.

I'm the PP and I agree with you. You're right that it was irresponsible for a Trump surrogate to even imply that camps would be defensible. I think Trump should have immediately spoken up and set the record straight. I really believe there is no way in hell he would support a measure like that. But I also think many in the liberal camp have taken that one remark and run hysterically with it, twisting it into something it never was. They're making it sound like Trump himself said that and it's now a done deal. Very irresponsible and overly dramatic on their part.

But as for you, you sound like a very nice and reasonable person. Wish there were more of you on DCUM!

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Anonymous wrote:I would not really be surprised if Trump attempted to put US Muslim citizens into interment camps until he and his administration figure out "exactly what the hell is going on" -- those were his words, right? If he believes, as he has said, that it's the religion of ISLAM that is the problem, for radicalizing people, then all Muslims are suspect, and under Korematzu, WHICH HIS OWN SURROGATES CITED IN DEBATE ON CNN, he might try to put Muslim citizens into interment camps until such time as they were determined to be not a threat.

Let me be clear: I think this is crazy. But you don't send your surrogates off to cite Korematzu and then say "well where on earth did they get the idea we wanted to put citizens into interment camps?" Because that's what happened in Korematzu, the case you just cited!

I really wish people would read what was actually said. The remark about camps wasn't planned, it was simply in reference to past precedent and wasn't a statement of what the Trump administration was planning to do. Honestly, the hysteria is so over-the-top. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/japanese-internment-muslim-registry.html
"Jason Miller, a spokesman for the Trump transition team, had issued the following statement: “President-elect Trump has never advocated for any registry or system that tracks individuals based on their religion, and to imply otherwise is completely false. The national registry of foreign visitors from countries with high terrorism activity that was in place during the Bush and Obama administrations gave intelligence and law enforcement communities additional tools to keep our country safe, but the President-elect plans on releasing his own vetting policies after he is sworn in.”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not really be surprised if Trump attempted to put US Muslim citizens into interment camps until he and his administration figure out "exactly what the hell is going on" -- those were his words, right? If he believes, as he has said, that it's the religion of ISLAM that is the problem, for radicalizing people, then all Muslims are suspect, and under Korematzu, WHICH HIS OWN SURROGATES CITED IN DEBATE ON CNN, he might try to put Muslim citizens into interment camps until such time as they were determined to be not a threat.

Let me be clear: I think this is crazy. But you don't send your surrogates off to cite Korematzu and then say "well where on earth did they get the idea we wanted to put citizens into interment camps?" Because that's what happened in Korematzu, the case you just cited!

I really wish people would read what was actually said. The remark about camps wasn't planned, it was simply in reference to past precedent and wasn't a statement of what the Trump administration was planning to do. Honestly, the hysteria is so over-the-top. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us/politics/japanese-internment-muslim-registry.html
"Jason Miller, a spokesman for the Trump transition team, had issued the following statement: “President-elect Trump has never advocated for any registry or system that tracks individuals based on their religion, and to imply otherwise is completely false. The national registry of foreign visitors from countries with high terrorism activity that was in place during the Bush and Obama administrations gave intelligence and law enforcement communities additional tools to keep our country safe, but the President-elect plans on releasing his own vetting policies after he is sworn in.”

Trust me, but let me take the oath of office first.

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Anonymous wrote:I love when Trumpkins pretend to have been democrats.

So you honestly can't fathom the idea that the Democratic Party has turned off many of its former supporters? Because you should probably try.

Agree. See, the people calling others "Trumpkins" simply aren't bright enough to grasp that many of us were once Democrats. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama - both times. But the whiny, pathetic victimization politics of today's liberal Democrats hold no appeal for me at all. I don't have any desire to be associated with this group. I guess I'm now an Independent.

+1.

If Democrats want to be the AA and BLM party, it's their right of course but they've lost my vote.

Oh god, not this again. Frankly, I couldn't t be happier if true, as the two of you are the last folks I would want on my side, but really, not buying a word of it.

Not buying a word of what? That people can, and do, change their political affiliation when they see that they just don't have much in common with a certain party? I grew up in a family of Democrats. Always voted for the Democratic candidate. Until a few years ago, when I realized the Democratic party, by and large, had morphed into something unrecognizable. Safe spaces? Trigger warnings? Calling those who disagreed with them, "racists, xenophobes, and sexist"? No thanks. I decided I was tired of being told what to think and what to say. It's no surprise to me at all that the Democrats lost the election. They've gone for too long thinking their way was the only way, and that half the country was simply stupid. When you start thinking you're superior to others, you should really expect that things aren't going to continue going your way any longer.

Same here.