Attorney General Wins $539,000 Judgment against Couple for Fraudulently Enrolling Children in DCPS

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The notion of the 'ancestral' home which entitles one to adopt whatever residence is most convenient is strong and pervasive. It's a truly foreign concept to newer residents to DC but it's real.

That doesn't make it remotely defensible.

What about their rights as citizens of Maryland or Virginia? If I reside in those places, pay taxes there, and expect certain services as a citizen of that state. How does that entitle me to services of a state in which I do not reside nor pay taxes? This isn't like reciprocity for library cards across jurisdiction. This is like expecting DPW to haul your bulk trash from your Maryland home to Ft Totten, or DFD to put out the fire in your MD home. You move out of one state you do not retain any claims to its taxpayer exclusive services, not in the near term and not in perpetuity.

I'm the PPP. Not defending it. But somehow you need to get into the heads and hearts of these people if this is going to stop. Because it's pretty easy to use your parents (kids' grandparents') address as an official school address and get away with it.

How is it easy? You have to have one bill at the ancestral in your name or have a car registered there in your name (which I guess is the easiest part; you could pay your mom's water bill or car registration) plus have a driver's license with that address. The driver's license seems like the hardest part . . . don't you want a VA or MD license so you can use public pools/facilities near where you live without paying a fee? Or when you go to the bank or somewhere, don't they usually ask if the address on your license is current? I've had police give me some grief during traffic stops about having an old license (with my old address) -- telling me I need to get a new license, etc. It just seems to me like maintaining the paperwork required to prove DC residency is a PITA . . . hard to believe that people do this and think it is normal.

Utility bill + car registration. No driver's license needed.

Or have one parent on a DC driver's license and the other with a MD driver's license for other purposes.

You need a DC driver's license to register your car in DC.

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Vehicle Registration and Inspection

To register a vehicle in the District:

You must have a DC driver license or DC identification card. (More information is available under the DC DMV REAL ID and DC DMV Limited Purpose Driver License/Non-Driver Identification Card pages.)

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I'm out of a job, and it would be so much easier and more convenient for me to just start breaking into other people's houses here and swiping some stuff they don't use.

Theft is theft. I am sorry that their children are paying for the parents' actions, but that's usually what happens when people break the law. The children always suffer the most.

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In many cases, it's easier to generate a pay stub with a fraudulent address than it would be to get a utility bill, drivers license, or car registration. Log on to employer's system, change address, print pay stub, change address back, end.

As a bonus, if you establish residency with a pay stub, you only need to provide the single document.

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The irony is these are police breaking the law

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Anonymous wrote:What does not make sense is why anyone would go to such lengths to send their kids to DC public schools when they have the option of either Maryland or Virginia schools.

Tripling the amount is excessive though. It should be the amount of "tuition" plus a fine per kid.

The parents are police officers and the kids attended Eaton, Deal, and Wilson which were all convenient to their work places.

Aren't those schools just middling to average when you compare them to Arlington, fcps & montgomery county schools?

I get what they did was illegal, but if it was truly about cops/commute, wouldn't it make sense for DC to have a program for law enforcement/fire department to be able to place theirkids in schools close to their precincts, perhaps for a small "tuition" fee? DC really needs good cops and fire/rescue workers. Their kids are likely the tyoe of students who would be assets to this failing school system, as would having law enforcement officers who were personally invested in the local schools being safe and effective due to their own kids attending the schools.

I still thik tripling the fine is ridiculous given the victimless nature of the crime.

This. Their lives at pretty much ruined by that fantastical sum they'll be paying off forever. Their kids' college money, their retirement, gone. I am not supporting fraud, but I know how impossible it can be for working families to juggle shifts, kids, and life. I don't really blame anyone for doing what they can--we all do.

Of course. I also think dc is a ridiculous place that makes ridiculous distinctions between itself and Maryland... And should jsut be a part of Maryland already.

And no, for the trillionth time: not a pg resident. We live in the district. Send our kids to district schools. Zoned for deal and Wilson. Never needed prek3 here. Maybe that's my problem? I have no skin in this game. I don't feel cheated, except that I have to live in such a sad, vindictive, malarial swamp ass of a city.

Here's a solution: Move!

I truly pity people who don't/can't live where they want to live. How miserable...

I truly pity people who think this is a nice place. I've made my peace with how terrible it is here. It's usually amusing. And you all are always entertaining with your miserable striving schemes. And we have money, that does help. But the amount of joy some of you get from the suffering of others... Your righteous zealotry... I assume this is why you really went into politics? So you'd have an excuse to be insufferable?

It's funny.

cry me a river. "suffering of others"? Please. This was a 2 income family which owned at least one investment property. Cops don't generally get rich but it's a decent paying job with good benefits (how many DCUM posters have pensions?). I don't get the pathology in defending people who were caught red handed committing extensive fraud of government services. Above PP comparison to doctors bilking DC Medicare payments is an excellent example.

I'm not defending them. I'm mocking your schadenfreude. You know how you enjoy repeated ad nauseam that there are Maryland people cheating DC? I have come to enjoy pointing out that DC is full of miserable, entitled blowhards. Like you, who are pathetically obsessed with their own status, what someone else might have, and how life isn't fair. It is like the city on the hill, is the city on the hill of a giant pile of whine. Waahhh. We're not a state. Waaah, PG residents. Waaaahhhh.

You're funny. I hear you.

NP here. I don't understand how you can find that person amusing, she clearly has deep seated emotional issues that she needs to work out in therapy. I feel sad for her husband and kids.

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Anonymous wrote:In many cases, it's easier to generate a pay stub with a fraudulent address than it would be to get a utility bill, drivers license, or car registration. Log on to employer's system, change address, print pay stub, change address back, end.

As a bonus, if you establish residency with a pay stub, you only need to provide the single document.

For some reason I thought you needed to have an original, not one just printed out from your home computer? My employer doesn't mail paystubs any longer (my husband's does though) and I always end up doing the registration and bringing my license and car registration.

I must be mistaken though if it's that easy for people to use a fake pay stub to prove residency.

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Anonymous wrote:In many cases, it's easier to generate a pay stub with a fraudulent address than it would be to get a utility bill, drivers license, or car registration. Log on to employer's system, change address, print pay stub, change address back, end.

As a bonus, if you establish residency with a pay stub, you only need to provide the single document.

For some reason I thought you needed to have an original, not one just printed out from your home computer? My employer doesn't mail paystubs any longer (my husband's does though) and I always end up doing the registration and bringing my license and car registration.

I must be mistaken though if it's that easy for people to use a fake pay stub to prove residency.

I use pay stubs because it's easier and print them out myself.

My employer doesn't provide 'original' or paper pay stubs anymore. If you want one, you log into the self-service portal and print it out.

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Anonymous wrote:In many cases, it's easier to generate a pay stub with a fraudulent address than it would be to get a utility bill, drivers license, or car registration. Log on to employer's system, change address, print pay stub, change address back, end.

As a bonus, if you establish residency with a pay stub, you only need to provide the single document.

The pay stub has to show a DC address as well as DC tax withholding. That means that you must pay DC taxes for the period shown on the pay stub (within the most recent 45 day period). Thus, you will have to indicate that on you state tax forms. Otherwise, you're not only committing residency fraud, you're also committing tax fraud. Cheating sounds exhausting!

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Anonymous wrote:In many cases, it's easier to generate a pay stub with a fraudulent address than it would be to get a utility bill, drivers license, or car registration. Log on to employer's system, change address, print pay stub, change address back, end.

As a bonus, if you establish residency with a pay stub, you only need to provide the single document.

For some reason I thought you needed to have an original, not one just printed out from your home computer? My employer doesn't mail paystubs any longer (my husband's does though) and I always end up doing the registration and bringing my license and car registration.

I must be mistaken though if it's that easy for people to use a fake pay stub to prove residency.

6 dollars. That's how much it costs for a realistic-looking fake pay stub to be made. At least that's the going rate in the neighborhood where I work (DC).

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Can you really declare bankruptcy to avoid paying a fine like this?

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How much do two police officers make, HHI?

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With 20 years in, close to $200k. Before overtime.

http://dchr.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dchr/publication/attachments/union_mpd_fy15_0.pdf

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They have a McMansion in Accokeek, and own a multi unit apartment building. They can sell their assets to pay the bill.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does not make sense is why anyone would go to such lengths to send their kids to DC public schools when they have the option of either Maryland or Virginia schools.

Tripling the amount is excessive though. It should be the amount of "tuition" plus a fine per kid.

The parents are police officers and the kids attended Eaton, Deal, and Wilson which were all convenient to their work places.

Aren't those schools just middling to average when you compare them to Arlington, fcps & montgomery county schools?

I get what they did was illegal, but if it was truly about cops/commute, wouldn't it make sense for DC to have a program for law enforcement/fire department to be able to place theirkids in schools close to their precincts, perhaps for a small "tuition" fee? DC really needs good cops and fire/rescue workers. Their kids are likely the tyoe of students who would be assets to this failing school system, as would having law enforcement officers who were personally invested in the local schools being safe and effective due to their own kids attending the schools.

I still thik tripling the fine is ridiculous given the victimless nature of the crime.

This. Their lives at pretty much ruined by that fantastical sum they'll be paying off forever. Their kids' college money, their retirement, gone. I am not supporting fraud, but I know how impossible it can be for working families to juggle shifts, kids, and life. I don't really blame anyone for doing what they can--we all do.

Of course. I also think dc is a ridiculous place that makes ridiculous distinctions between itself and Maryland... And should jsut be a part of Maryland already.

And no, for the trillionth time: not a pg resident. We live in the district. Send our kids to district schools. Zoned for deal and Wilson. Never needed prek3 here. Maybe that's my problem? I have no skin in this game. I don't feel cheated, except that I have to live in such a sad, vindictive, malarial swamp ass of a city.

Here's a solution: Move!

I truly pity people who don't/can't live where they want to live. How miserable...

I truly pity people who think this is a nice place. I've made my peace with how terrible it is here. It's usually amusing. And you all are always entertaining with your miserable striving schemes. And we have money, that does help. But the amount of joy some of you get from the suffering of others... Your righteous zealotry... I assume this is why you really went into politics? So you'd have an excuse to be insufferable?

It's funny.

cry me a river. "suffering of others"? Please. This was a 2 income family which owned at least one investment property. Cops don't generally get rich but it's a decent paying job with good benefits (how many DCUM posters have pensions?). I don't get the pathology in defending people who were caught red handed committing extensive fraud of government services. Above PP comparison to doctors bilking DC Medicare payments is an excellent example.

I'm not defending them. I'm mocking your schadenfreude. You know how you enjoy repeated ad nauseam that there are Maryland people cheating DC? I have come to enjoy pointing out that DC is full of miserable, entitled blowhards. Like you, who are pathetically obsessed with their own status, what someone else might have, and how life isn't fair. It is like the city on the hill, is the city on the hill of a giant pile of whine. Waahhh. We're not a state. Waaah, PG residents. Waaaahhhh.

You're funny. I hear you.

NP here. I don't understand how you can find that person amusing, she clearly has deep seated emotional issues that she needs to work out in therapy. I feel sad for her husband and kids.

No, you dont. You are far too entitled and insecure to feel sincerely sorry for anyone; as evidenced time and again when you whine.