Attorney General Wins $539,000 Judgment against Couple for Fraudulently Enrolling Children in DCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Well I feel like they stole from me. I could not get into Deal and our local educational campus sucks so I paid $70,000 for three years of private middle school. They stole my spot, or someone like me who lives in the District and pays taxes.

Why is this a "victimless" crime?

Indeed. Two entire DCPS schools last year were kicked out of the Deal feeder pattern because of cited overcrowding at Deal. It's aggravating to realize that some of that 'overcrowding' is due to students whose parents commit residency fraud.

What, please give more information?

Eaton was kicked over to Hardy. Oyster previously had a choice between Adams & Deal, now has a choice between Adams & Hardy. It should be good for Hardy.

This actually illustrates how to make "less desired" schools better. My child is at a DCI feeder, but we've been unhappy with what's gone on thus far. Since we're in Spanish immersion, we're hoping Adams could be an option to continue the language if we decide against DCI. Go Adams!
I think it's Adams or SWW @ FS, not Hardy. http://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY16-17%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns%20-%20Revised.pdf

I'm an Oyster parent (my kids are too young for Adams). As a result of losing Deal as an option, I have been told by Adams' parents that Adams has retained a record number of students. This is great news for Adams!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I feel like they stole from me. I could not get into Deal and our local educational campus sucks so I paid $70,000 for three years of private middle school. They stole my spot, or someone like me who lives in the District and pays taxes.

Why is this a "victimless" crime?

Indeed. Two entire DCPS schools last year were kicked out of the Deal feeder pattern because of cited overcrowding at Deal. It's aggravating to realize that some of that 'overcrowding' is due to students whose parents commit residency fraud.

What, please give more information?

Eaton was kicked over to Hardy. Oyster previously had a choice between Adams & Deal, now has a choice between Adams & Hardy. It should be good for Hardy.

This actually illustrates how to make "less desired" schools better. My child is at a DCI feeder, but we've been unhappy with what's gone on thus far. Since we're in Spanish immersion, we're hoping Adams could be an option to continue the language if we decide against DCI. Go Adams!
I think it's Adams or SWW @ FS, not Hardy. http://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY16-17%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns%20-%20Revised.pdf

I'm an Oyster parent (my kids are too young for Adams). As a result of losing Deal as an option, I have been told by Adams' parents that Adams has retained a record number of students. This is great news for Adams!

This actually illustrates how to make "less desired" schools better. My child is at a DCI feeder, but we've been unhappy with what's gone on thus far. Since we're in Spanish immersion, we're hoping Adams could be an option to continue the language if we decide against DCI. Go Adams!

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16:16 Are you IB for Oyster-Adams?

They have taken no OOB students for 6th this year (at least as of June) although they had space for at least 10 OOB in 2015-16.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

I still have NO sympathy for this family. If they already lived in DC, then they should have stayed put. We would all like to live closer to where we live/our children attend school. They made a poor and illegal decision, so now they must suffer the consequences. The End.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I feel like they stole from me. I could not get into Deal and our local educational campus sucks so I paid $70,000 for three years of private middle school. They stole my spot, or someone like me who lives in the District and pays taxes.

Why is this a "victimless" crime?

Indeed. Two entire DCPS schools last year were kicked out of the Deal feeder pattern because of cited overcrowding at Deal. It's aggravating to realize that some of that 'overcrowding' is due to students whose parents commit residency fraud.

What, please give more information?

Eaton was kicked over to Hardy. Oyster previously had a choice between Adams & Deal, now has a choice between Adams & Hardy. It should be good for Hardy.

But not necessarily as good for the students who previously could go to Deal. But that's a topic for another thread.

The fact is that residency scammers commit fraud and theft of services. They steal coveted school spots from eligible DC kids, divert resources that could otherwise go to compelling school priorities, and misappropriate DC taxpayer money.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

Well said.

Fraud is fraud, and it's all the more troubling when committed by those who have sworn to uphold our laws.

One can debate whether or not it would be good public policy or a desirable workforce benefit to allow cops, first responders and teachers to enroll their children in DCPS. But that should be taken up through proper public processes, such as at the DC Council. DC government employees, and police officers of all people, can't decide on their own to take public services for their private benefit.

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>>>The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.

I agree with this.

Could not give less of a shit where they ORIGINALLY lived, however. They deserve the punishment they're receiving.

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Every criminal in jail has a mother who (probably) loves them). Every bank robber needed the money and is probably nice enough when you meet them on the street. That don't mean we should we should forgive 'em and let them out of jail. You break a law, you gotta pay. Jeez, I don't understand the world some of these criminal-forgivers live in.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

I still have NO sympathy for this family. If they already lived in DC, then they should have stayed put. We would all like to live closer to where we live/our children attend school. They made a poor and illegal decision, so now they must suffer the consequences. The End.

This is a stupid argument, why should anyone follow any rules then? They could have all lived in that house if they wanted, but they wanted a bigger house in the berbs. You can't have everything you want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

Well said.

Fraud is fraud, and it's all the more troubling when committed by those who have sworn to uphold our laws.

They lied and continued to lie for many years. I know many police, and with overtime etc they can make money. Think of children of single households or whose parents are earning below minimum wage, they have to make do. They had 2 houses for goodness sake and dropped off their kids in a police cruiser.

One can debate whether or not it would be good public policy or a desirable workforce benefit to allow cops, first responders and teachers to enroll their children in DCPS. But that should be taken up through proper public processes, such as at the DC Council. DC government employees, and police officers of all people, can't decide on their own to take public services for their private benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

Well said.

Fraud is fraud, and it's all the more troubling when committed by those who have sworn to uphold our laws.

They lied and continued to lie for many years. I know many police, and with overtime etc they can make money. Think of children of single households or whose parents are earning below minimum wage, they have to make do. They had 2 houses for goodness sake and dropped off their kids in a police cruiser.

One can debate whether or not it would be good public policy or a desirable workforce benefit to allow cops, first responders and teachers to enroll their children in DCPS. But that should be taken up through proper public processes, such as at the DC Council. DC government employees, and police officers of all people, can't decide on their own to take public services for their private benefit.

What about the custodians and cafeteria worker's kids, they owned two houses and lied about it. Why didn't they move to DC, oh because for a family home they would be forced to live in an area not zoned for Deal like so many other parents in the District. What about everyone else's kids, what are they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never posted before, but for what it is worth, I thought I would. This is old news that is resurfacing for whatever reason. The students have been out of DCPS for at least 2 years now. I remember when the father informed me of the children not returning and why. It is unfortunate. Both parents were assigned to that district to work, and not only was the drop-off convenient, but they ORIGINALLY lived in DC. While they did move, the house in DC was not an investment property as the dad was living there. But "shame" on him for wanting his family to be together? For moving to Accokeek so his children would see him nightly...The investigation would have never happened if it had not been for office politics within the police department. Was what they did wrong? Yes. Can we all have empathy? We should if we are human. Is the penalty fair? It's what the law calls for, but there is no grace in it.
Those parents served that community well. Their children were kind, well-behaved, an assets to the learning and extra-curricular body. They are still missed.
The law was handed out. Don't drag their badges or who they are through the dust because you feel you would be more likely to have a coveted spot at one of the schools where their students attended. The law is dragging their bank accounts and their names through the dust and media... that's punishment enough.
How easily we judge...I can't blame them when I see teachers and principals who travel from Baltimore and rural Virginia in order to teach children here in the district, and yet see their children less because their commute is so far. It is about convenience. And quietly as it is kept finding a job as a teacher isn't easy, so the solution of teaching where one lives isn't always possible. My two cents...may we look on others with the grace we wish to receive...lest we make a mistake and karma only give us justice.

Well said.

Fraud is fraud, and it's all the more troubling when committed by those who have sworn to uphold our laws.

They lied and continued to lie for many years. I know many police, and with overtime etc they can make money. Think of children of single households or whose parents are earning below minimum wage, they have to make do. They had 2 houses for goodness sake and dropped off their kids in a police cruiser.

One can debate whether or not it would be good public policy or a desirable workforce benefit to allow cops, first responders and teachers to enroll their children in DCPS. But that should be taken up through proper public processes, such as at the DC Council. DC government employees, and police officers of all people, can't decide on their own to take public services for their private benefit.

No residents only!! There are many families who would love to live closer to their offices. This couple is absurd. As are you to defend them.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does not make sense is why anyone would go to such lengths to send their kids to DC public schools when they have the option of either Maryland or Virginia schools.

Tripling the amount is excessive though. It should be the amount of "tuition" plus a fine per kid.

The parents are police officers and the kids attended Eaton, Deal, and Wilson which were all convenient to their work places.

Aren't those schools just middling to average when you compare them to Arlington, fcps & montgomery county schools?

I get what they did was illegal, but if it was truly about cops/commute, wouldn't it make sense for DC to have a program for law enforcement/fire department to be able to place theirkids in schools close to their precincts, perhaps for a small "tuition" fee? DC really needs good cops and fire/rescue workers. Their kids are likely the tyoe of students who would be assets to this failing school system, as would having law enforcement officers who were personally invested in the local schools being safe and effective due to their own kids attending the schools.

I still thik tripling the fine is ridiculous given the victimless nature of the crime.

No it would not make sense when those schools are bursting at the seems and plenty of other good students would love to attend.

The punishment fit the crime. Hope headlines like this become more frequent.

you sure about that? by DC area standards, they are lower middle class, 3 kids, and got a bill for $500,000. They will be very poor forever. I think this is very, very harsh, and I think most proponents do not understand life on a double police officer pay with 3 kids in this area. You are all for illegal immigrants getting freebies though. Funny how that works.

You are against animal testing, but aren't worried too much about our having destroyed Syria causing hundreds of thousands to die, and millions of children to be homeless (or slaves, or raped or dead).

You likely don't think much of the families of terror victims. No biggie. But you sure will never buy a gilette razor, those poor bunnies in the 1990s. .

And gollie, America is so great!

So much hypocrisy on this board I think I come here because I love to hate it, I don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does not make sense is why anyone would go to such lengths to send their kids to DC public schools when they have the option of either Maryland or Virginia schools.

Tripling the amount is excessive though. It should be the amount of "tuition" plus a fine per kid.

The parents are police officers and the kids attended Eaton, Deal, and Wilson which were all convenient to their work places.

Aren't those schools just middling to average when you compare them to Arlington, fcps & montgomery county schools?

I get what they did was illegal, but if it was truly about cops/commute, wouldn't it make sense for DC to have a program for law enforcement/fire department to be able to place theirkids in schools close to their precincts, perhaps for a small "tuition" fee? DC really needs good cops and fire/rescue workers. Their kids are likely the tyoe of students who would be assets to this failing school system, as would having law enforcement officers who were personally invested in the local schools being safe and effective due to their own kids attending the schools.

I still thik tripling the fine is ridiculous given the victimless nature of the crime.

No it would not make sense when those schools are bursting at the seems and plenty of other good students would love to attend.

The punishment fit the crime. Hope headlines like this become more frequent.

you sure about that? by DC area standards, they are lower middle class, 3 kids, and got a bill for $500,000. They will be very poor forever. I think this is very, very harsh, and I think most proponents do not understand life on a double police officer pay with 3 kids in this area. You are all for illegal immigrants getting freebies though. Funny how that works.

You are against animal testing, but aren't worried too much about our having destroyed Syria causing hundreds of thousands to die, and millions of children to be homeless (or slaves, or raped or dead).

You likely don't think much of the families of terror victims. No biggie. But you sure will never buy a gilette razor, those poor bunnies in the 1990s. .

And gollie, America is so great!

So much hypocrisy on this board I think I come here because I love to hate it, I don't know.

I think I come here because occasionally someone same with perspective like you posts, and I hate this part of the country a little less, if only until the next barrage of "but they're Cheaty cheaters how can you condone cheating" posts begin again.

I have become somewhat convinced that half of the self righteous (at least half) whiners posting here are daily caller interns. The other half are the same sad women who always chime in on this issue, desperate for whatever reason to repeat ad nauseum: cheaters are bad! Wahhh.

Maybe it's a form of ocd.