NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide

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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely accurate, with one exception. The reason the Asian parents support the competitive schooling is because that's how it works in Korea and some other countries. It's not because they are immigrants. Apparently, even the competition and stress described in the article are nothing compared to the stress of going to school in Korea. It's a kind of imported culture that has filtered into the schools. However, I have a hard time believing that all the Asian parents support it - I know many Asian parents here in the DC area who agree that the stress and competition is not good for kids. They just don't see a way to opt out without disadvantaging their children.

This is true. Compared to China, S. Korea, etc. the U.S. education system is much kinder, gentler and nurturing. Kids' futures don't basically hinge on one national standardized test which is how it works in those countries.

My brother who was working in Asia came back to the U.S. for exactly this reason once his oldest became school age. His kids attend a test in charter in an area similar to Princeton, NJ.

Yep. My cousin, from Korea, doesn't want his kids educated in the S. Korean style. This is partly the reason S. Korean parents send their kids to public school here.

? How can a S. Korean parent just "decide" to send their kids to school hete? Is there a visa for this?

S. Koreans do not need a visa to come to the U.S. Most don't want to immigrate to the US. It is not like the 80ties. Their standard of living is high and S. Korea is now a first world country.

That's a complete non-sequiter. They don't need a visa to come here because their living standards are high. Um, o.k.

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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely accurate, with one exception. The reason the Asian parents support the competitive schooling is because that's how it works in Korea and some other countries. It's not because they are immigrants. Apparently, even the competition and stress described in the article are nothing compared to the stress of going to school in Korea. It's a kind of imported culture that has filtered into the schools. However, I have a hard time believing that all the Asian parents support it - I know many Asian parents here in the DC area who agree that the stress and competition is not good for kids. They just don't see a way to opt out without disadvantaging their children.

This is true. Compared to China, S. Korea, etc. the U.S. education system is much kinder, gentler and nurturing. Kids' futures don't basically hinge on one national standardized test which is how it works in those countries.

My brother who was working in Asia came back to the U.S. for exactly this reason once his oldest became school age. His kids attend a test in charter in an area similar to Princeton, NJ.

Yep. My cousin, from Korea, doesn't want his kids educated in the S. Korean style. This is partly the reason S. Korean parents send their kids to public school here.

? How can a S. Korean parent just "decide" to send their kids to school hete? Is there a visa for this?

S. Koreans do not need a visa to come to the U.S. Most don't want to immigrate to the US. It is not like the 80ties. Their standard of living is high and S. Korea is now a first world country.

Well you are contradicting the poster who said many S. Korean parents send their kids to public schools in the U.S. my question was how can they do that?

They buy or rent a house in the district they want their kid to attend school like everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely accurate, with one exception. The reason the Asian parents support the competitive schooling is because that's how it works in Korea and some other countries. It's not because they are immigrants. Apparently, even the competition and stress described in the article are nothing compared to the stress of going to school in Korea. It's a kind of imported culture that has filtered into the schools. However, I have a hard time believing that all the Asian parents support it - I know many Asian parents here in the DC area who agree that the stress and competition is not good for kids. They just don't see a way to opt out without disadvantaging their children.

This is true. Compared to China, S. Korea, etc. the U.S. education system is much kinder, gentler and nurturing. Kids' futures don't basically hinge on one national standardized test which is how it works in those countries.

My brother who was working in Asia came back to the U.S. for exactly this reason once his oldest became school age. His kids attend a test in charter in an area similar to Princeton, NJ.

Yep. My cousin, from Korea, doesn't want his kids educated in the S. Korean style. This is partly the reason S. Korean parents send their kids to public school here.

? How can a S. Korean parent just "decide" to send their kids to school hete? Is there a visa for this?

S. Koreans do not need a visa to come to the U.S. Most don't want to immigrate to the US. It is not like the 80ties. Their standard of living is high and S. Korea is now a first world country.

That's a complete non-sequiter. They don't need a visa to come here because their living standards are high. Um, o.k.

No, S. korea is one of 20 some countries whose citizens do not need a visa to travel to the U.S.

The US used to require a visa for s. Koreans but no longer because like Japan and some EU countries, the US do not have to worry about illegal immigration.

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Well you are contradicting the poster who said many S. Korean parents send their kids to public schools in the U.S. my question was how can they do that?

I don't know all of the legal details, but as a PP noted, S. Koreans don't need visas to come here. Some parents send their kids here by themselves to either live with relatives, or with others from their home country and pay them room/board. So, my assumption (again, I'm just assuming) is that some of those kids have overstayed their visits. Other parents manage to find work here, and bring their kids that way. BTW, I don't think it's just the Koreans that do this.

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Well a PP said they "send their kids". Now people are saying, no, the parents come an dc buy or rent. Just like that? Foreigners can come on no visa at all and just stay as long as they want? I didn't know that.

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I'M no expert but the no visa rule must mean just for tourism for a.limited time, no? It's not for an indefinite period

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Anonymous wrote:I'M no expert but the no visa rule must mean just for tourism for a.limited time, no? It's not for an indefinite period

Some people, not just Koreans, stay longer than they are supposed to when "just visiting". I've known several white people from Canada, S. Africa and the like who've done this.

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Anonymous wrote:Well a PP said they "send their kids". Now people are saying, no, the parents come an dc buy or rent. Just like that? Foreigners can come on no visa at all and just stay as long as they want? I didn't know that.

1. Some people just send their kids to the US to attend school. These kids either board with a friend/relative or attend boarding school.

2. Other people will move here and buy/rent. Sometimes only the mother will move to the US with kids while the father stays behind and works.

3. Chinese, Indians, etc all require Visas. Most people from other countries require visas, depends on the country. S. Koreans do not.

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One can obtain a student visa to study in the US. It does not allow the holder to work or obtain a green card.

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The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

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Anonymous wrote:One can obtain a student visa to study in the US. It does not allow the holder to work or obtain a green card.

I thought student visas were only for college level and up, not HS level and down.

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4. It is not difficult to get a student visa to study in the US (if a visa is required for a particular country) as long as the student is accepted and plan to enrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:Well a PP said they "send their kids". Now people are saying, no, the parents come an dc buy or rent. Just like that? Foreigners can come on no visa at all and just stay as long as they want? I didn't know that.

1. Some people just send their kids to the US to attend school. These kids either board with a friend/relative or attend boarding school.

2. Other people will move here and buy/rent. Sometimes only the mother will move to the US with kids while the father stays behind and works.

3. Chinese, Indians, etc all require Visas. Most people from other countries require visas, depends on the country. S. Koreans do not.

We're not talking boarding scools. Or private schools. The PP saI'd they send their kids to public schools in the U.S.

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

They buy a house and pay property taxes or rent.

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.