NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.

Finally a honest answer. Yes they are breaking the ruleS but we should turn a blind eye to it because there are bigger problems in the world to worry about.

I do disagree that an American can go to other countries and get away with this. Most I'M familiar with rather strictly enforce their immigration rules.

Get away with what? You buy or rent a residence in the US (that's legal, and it makes you a resident of the school district), and then you send your child to school on a student visa (that's legal too).

FYI, buying a residence in the US DOES NOT make you a legal resident of the school district - or that country in general.

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FYI, buying a residence in the US DOES NOT make you a legal resident of the school district - or that country in general.

You're right. However, residing in a school district makes you a resident of that school district.

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Nope. This has been going on for decades, and Asian Americans, as a group, are doing much better that ANY other group.

If anything, they are being run over by the BS-educated whites and blacks who need affirmative action programs (by race, legacy or sports) to compensate for their poor academic preparation.

You are mixing up testing well to actual success in the work force.
Being in the high tech field, I can tell you it is such a pain in my ass to work with Chinese and Indians. It is quite clear they are lacking creativity and the ability to work as part of the team.
Europeans, both eastern and western Europeans, I have found have much stronger skills.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but life isn't all standardized tests.

I am not the PP you are responding to. But here is what the Pew Research Center says:

Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the United States. They are more satisfied than the general public with their lives, finances and the direction of the country, and they place more value than other Americans do on marriage, parenthood, hard work and career success, according to a comprehensive new nationwide survey by the Pew Research Center.

I certainly consider income, education, and satisfaction with lives and finances as measures of doing well. Perhaps you have a different opinion.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/19/the-rise-of-asian-americans/

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But how cruel of you to burst previous PP's bubble. Will she be resilient enough to cope with the insight? Will she be able to follow the math?

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Anonymous wrote:From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

Maybe we shouldn't value *reading*?since now there are text to voice software.

Learning creativity, social skills, leadership and love of learning isn't going to get you anywhere if you can't read, spell or do basic math (like on a calculator).

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There is a reason why a fool like Trump has such a solid, silent following in America. He promises to build the tallest impenetrable wall around America and restore America to it's former greatness, restore the status quo with the white 6 percent of the global population once again consuming 40 percent of global resources!


I like his vision of our country!

No surprise here. Apparently, so do most European-Americans. This explains his steadfast appeal in the face of flaming jingoism, sexism, and racism.

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There is a reason why a fool like Trump has such a solid, silent following in America. He promises to build the tallest impenetrable wall around America and restore America to it's former greatness, restore the status quo with the white 6 percent of the global population once again consuming 40 percent of global resources!


I like his vision of our country!

No surprise here. Apparently, so do most European-Americans. This explains his steadfast appeal in the face of flaming jingoism, sexism, and racism.

And this is why I don't understand why minorities like him. Do Blacks really think Trump will make life better for them? Trump is all about big business. He doesn't care about the little guy. If he cuts taxes across the board, it will only save middle income people a few hundred dollars, at most (granted that may be a lot for middle income folks), but it will save the wealthy several thousands, and that means much less tax dollars for things like social services, schools, etc.. People need to see the bigger picture rather than just what's in front of them. It seems like the only reason Blacks like him is because they think by shipping off all the Hispanic illegal immigrants, life will somehow be better for the Black community. It won't.

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+1

There is a reason why a fool like Trump has such a solid, silent following in America. He promises to build the tallest impenetrable wall around America and restore America to it's former greatness, restore the status quo with the white 6 percent of the global population once again consuming 40 percent of global resources!


I like his vision of our country!

No surprise here. Apparently, so do most European-Americans. This explains his steadfast appeal in the face of flaming jingoism, sexism, and racism.

And this is why I don't understand why minorities like him. Do Blacks really think Trump will make life better for them? Trump is all about big business. He doesn't care about the little guy. If he cuts taxes across the board, it will only save middle income people a few hundred dollars, at most (granted that may be a lot for middle income folks), but it will save the wealthy several thousands, and that means much less tax dollars for things like social services, schools, etc.. People need to see the bigger picture rather than just what's in front of them. It seems like the only reason Blacks like him is because they think by shipping off all the Hispanic illegal immigrants, life will somehow be better for the Black community. It won't.

You know black people who like Trump? I am black, and every black person i have spoken to about Trump sees him for the spoiled, ignorant racist that he is.

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+1

There is a reason why a fool like Trump has such a solid, silent following in America. He promises to build the tallest impenetrable wall around America and restore America to it's former greatness, restore the status quo with the white 6 percent of the global population once again consuming 40 percent of global resources!


I like his vision of our country!

No surprise here. Apparently, so do most European-Americans. This explains his steadfast appeal in the face of flaming jingoism, sexism, and racism.

Lady, you believe we still live in 1850?

Like it or not, things have improved by leaps and bounds. Stop the victimhood. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

I don't think it's Asian cheerleading, so much as annoyance at wealthy white parents that don't like the fact their little Johnnies and Susies are finding it too hard to compete, and the fact that white kids as a whole have more advantages in life than most other races to begin with, and here their parents are complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

I don't think it's Asian cheerleading, so much as annoyance at wealthy white parents that don't like the fact their little Johnnies and Susies are finding it too hard to compete, and the fact that white kids as a whole have more advantages in life than most other races to begin with, and here their parents are complaining.

Whose doing that? The wholemthing was spurred by Asian kids committing suicide in Palio Alto and a unusually large number of kids expressing suicidia thoughts in Princeton Junction. Are we to assume these kids should just be sacrificed to keep the system going?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

I don't think it's Asian cheerleading, so much as annoyance at wealthy white parents that don't like the fact their little Johnnies and Susies are finding it too hard to compete, and the fact that white kids as a whole have more advantages in life than most other races to begin with, and here their parents are complaining.

Asian women really like white guys, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

I don't think it's Asian cheerleading, so much as annoyance at wealthy white parents that don't like the fact their little Johnnies and Susies are finding it too hard to compete, and the fact that white kids as a whole have more advantages in life than most other races to begin with, and here their parents are complaining.

Whose doing that? The wholemthing was spurred by Asian kids committing suicide in Palio Alto and a unusually large number of kids expressing suicidia thoughts in Princeton Junction. Are we to assume these kids should just be sacrificed to keep the system going?

I don't agree with the amount of pressure kids are under these days, but I agree with another PP.. if parents don't like it, move. That's what we did. I'm from the Palo Alto area. I have no doubt that some of these white, wealthy parents put their own kinds of pressure on their kids. There are plenty of white/wealthy kids that have taken drugs to help them cope with stress and pressure. Why didn't the that community sound off then? Why just now when Asian American kids are upping the competition?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

I don't think it's Asian cheerleading, so much as annoyance at wealthy white parents that don't like the fact their little Johnnies and Susies are finding it too hard to compete, and the fact that white kids as a whole have more advantages in life than most other races to begin with, and here their parents are complaining.

Whose doing that? The wholemthing was spurred by Asian kids committing suicide in Palio Alto and a unusually large number of kids expressing suicidia thoughts in Princeton Junction. Are we to assume these kids should just be sacrificed to keep the system going?

I don't agree with the amount of pressure kids are under these days, but I agree with another PP.. if parents don't like it, move. That's what we did. I'm from the Palo Alto area. I have no doubt that some of these white, wealthy parents put their own kinds of pressure on their kids. There are plenty of white/wealthy kids that have taken drugs to help them cope with stress and pressure. Why didn't the that community sound off then? Why just now when Asian American kids are upping the competition?

Asian kids aren't "just now" upping the competition. There's been a large Asian population in this school system for decades. Clearly, quite a few posters feel it's better to let a few kids kill themselves rather than let them take one less AP, interesting to see where people's priorities lie.

In any case, my kids go to private school so I have no dog in this fight, seems like people are invested in making this a "white people can't stand how superior Asians are" thread, so have at it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, some weird Asian cheerleading going on in this thread.

I don't think it's Asian cheerleading, so much as annoyance at wealthy white parents that don't like the fact their little Johnnies and Susies are finding it too hard to compete, and the fact that white kids as a whole have more advantages in life than most other races to begin with, and here their parents are complaining.

Whose doing that? The wholemthing was spurred by Asian kids committing suicide in Palio Alto and a unusually large number of kids expressing suicidia thoughts in Princeton Junction. Are we to assume these kids should just be sacrificed to keep the system going?

I don't agree with the amount of pressure kids are under these days, but I agree with another PP.. if parents don't like it, move. That's what we did. I'm from the Palo Alto area. I have no doubt that some of these white, wealthy parents put their own kinds of pressure on their kids. There are plenty of white/wealthy kids that have taken drugs to help them cope with stress and pressure. Why didn't the that community sound off then? Why just now when Asian American kids are upping the competition?

Asian kids aren't "just now" upping the competition. There's been a large Asian population in this school system for decades. Clearly, quite a few posters feel it's better to let a few kids kill themselves rather than let them take one less AP, interesting to see where people's priorities lie.

In any case, my kids go to private school so I have no dog in this fight, seems like people are invested in making this a "white people can't stand how superior Asians are" thread, so have at it.

No one is forced to take APs. Hospitalize the kids making suicide threats. Get them some help for their depression and mental health issues. It will be more helpful than getting rid of APs, advanced classes, or whatever stressors in life that are causing these students to want to die. People who cannot handle a stressful academic load (or any other stressful life choices that makes them want to kill themselves) have the choice to not take a stressful academic load. But depressed people don't see that.

Getting rid of advanced classes for all instead of providing actual mental health services to those who need it is a cop out.

And it does sound like the school system is using the mental health issues of a few to get rid of a program that is 90% Asian. Not sure this would happen to a program that is 90% white (like the football team).