FCPS Has Top Schools with NMSFs, APS Lags

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you to the Arlington posters on his thread who have validated our decision to not live in Arlington. We opted against Arlington in favor of Fairfax because of the lily white nature of its good schools and our feeling that, as Asian-Americans, we would be regarded as "other."

Your narrow minded views on Asians in Fairfax and at TJ are just as we suspected. We are much happier in Fairfax surrounded by a variety of hues.

No one said they aren't welcome, didn't earn their spots, etc., just that people (of any hue) who move into Fairfax just before TJ admissions year solely to apply to TJ and with the intention of leaving again if they don't get in can't claim that their success at TJ is proof of the quality of the FCPS system as a whole, only of the quality of TJ. I don't think twice about the Asian students or their parents at my child's APS elementary school, let along make assumptions about why they're there, they're simply his friends/classmates and his parents.

Totally missing the point. Posters are speaking derisively of the Asians at TJ and claiming that they are foreigners when there is NO evidence that any sizeable number of TJ students are coming from foreign countries for TJ. I know plenty of kids that have gone to TJ from our ES and MS and they are all American but many happen to be of Asian origin. The Arlington posters can't seem to get that these kids are Americans. And that is why I'm happy to not live there.

+1000.

It's more complicated than that, sorry. There is a culture of academic pressure in some Asian communities that are troubling at best, unhealthy at worst. TJ definitely attracts that kind of "Tiger Mom" outlook and has suffered from the intensity of those high expectations. (BTW, wasn't the student who faked the double admission to Stanford and Harvard a Korean student living temporarily with her mother in the US?)

This is a self-recognized issue in Korea http://news.asiaone.com/news/education/scandal-exposes-korea’s-twisted-obsession-degrees.
And leads directly to this kind of mania http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/pf/college/harvard-stanford-college-admissions-hoax-oped/index.html

I am sure there are many, many Asian-Americans that do NOT buy into this educational frenzy, but many do and so it becomes, unfortunately, something of a stereotype.

It's not about race, but outlook and ideology.

Um, OK. Yours is the mindset that drives many whites who don't want their kids in classes with Asian kids to North Arlington. You're trying to pass yourself off as academic, but it just comes off as passive-aggressive.

Now you are just prattling on nonsensically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you to the Arlington posters on his thread who have validated our decision to not live in Arlington. We opted against Arlington in favor of Fairfax because of the lily white nature of its good schools and our feeling that, as Asian-Americans, we would be regarded as "other."

Your narrow minded views on Asians in Fairfax and at TJ are just as we suspected. We are much happier in Fairfax surrounded by a variety of hues.

No one said they aren't welcome, didn't earn their spots, etc., just that people (of any hue) who move into Fairfax just before TJ admissions year solely to apply to TJ and with the intention of leaving again if they don't get in can't claim that their success at TJ is proof of the quality of the FCPS system as a whole, only of the quality of TJ. I don't think twice about the Asian students or their parents at my child's APS elementary school, let along make assumptions about why they're there, they're simply his friends/classmates and his parents.

Totally missing the point. Posters are speaking derisively of the Asians at TJ and claiming that they are foreigners when there is NO evidence that any sizeable number of TJ students are coming from foreign countries for TJ. I know plenty of kids that have gone to TJ from our ES and MS and they are all American but many happen to be of Asian origin. The Arlington posters can't seem to get that these kids are Americans. And that is why I'm happy to not live there.

+1000.

It's more complicated than that, sorry. There is a culture of academic pressure in some Asian communities that are troubling at best, unhealthy at worst. TJ definitely attracts that kind of "Tiger Mom" outlook and has suffered from the intensity of those high expectations. (BTW, wasn't the student who faked the double admission to Stanford and Harvard a Korean student living temporarily with her mother in the US?)

This is a self-recognized issue in Korea http://news.asiaone.com/news/education/scandal-exposes-korea’s-twisted-obsession-degrees.
And leads directly to this kind of mania http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/21/pf/college/harvard-stanford-college-admissions-hoax-oped/index.html

I am sure there are many, many Asian-Americans that do NOT buy into this educational frenzy, but many do and so it becomes, unfortunately, something of a stereotype.

It's not about race, but outlook and ideology.

Um, OK. Yours is the mindset that drives many whites who don't want their kids in classes with Asian kids to North Arlington. You're trying to pass yourself off as academic, but it just comes off as passive-aggressive.

Now you are just prattling on nonsensically.

Guess you don't like your prejudice being called out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you to the Arlington posters on his thread who have validated our decision to not live in Arlington. We opted against Arlington in favor of Fairfax because of the lily white nature of its good schools and our feeling that, as Asian-Americans, we would be regarded as "other."

Your narrow minded views on Asians in Fairfax and at TJ are just as we suspected. We are much happier in Fairfax surrounded by a variety of hues.

No one said they aren't welcome, didn't earn their spots, etc., just that people (of any hue) who move into Fairfax just before TJ admissions year solely to apply to TJ and with the intention of leaving again if they don't get in can't claim that their success at TJ is proof of the quality of the FCPS system as a whole, only of the quality of TJ. I don't think twice about the Asian students or their parents at my child's APS elementary school, let along make assumptions about why they're there, they're simply his friends/classmates and his parents.

Totally missing the point. Posters are speaking derisively of the Asians at TJ and claiming that they are foreigners when there is NO evidence that any sizeable number of TJ students are coming from foreign countries for TJ. I know plenty of kids that have gone to TJ from our ES and MS and they are all American but many happen to be of Asian origin. The Arlington posters can't seem to get that these kids are Americans. And that is why I'm happy to not live there.

Yes, you're right, what I know is only what I read in the newspaper, and hear from families I know who are at TJ. I'm not actually in the school every day checking the status of every child who comes through the door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you to the Arlington posters on his thread who have validated our decision to not live in Arlington. We opted against Arlington in favor of Fairfax because of the lily white nature of its good schools and our feeling that, as Asian-Americans, we would be regarded as "other."

Your narrow minded views on Asians in Fairfax and at TJ are just as we suspected. We are much happier in Fairfax surrounded by a variety of hues.

No one said they aren't welcome, didn't earn their spots, etc., just that people (of any hue) who move into Fairfax just before TJ admissions year solely to apply to TJ and with the intention of leaving again if they don't get in can't claim that their success at TJ is proof of the quality of the FCPS system as a whole, only of the quality of TJ. I don't think twice about the Asian students or their parents at my child's APS elementary school, let along make assumptions about why they're there, they're simply his friends/classmates and his parents.

Totally missing the point. Posters are speaking derisively of the Asians at TJ and claiming that they are foreigners when there is NO evidence that any sizeable number of TJ students are coming from foreign countries for TJ. I know plenty of kids that have gone to TJ from our ES and MS and they are all American but many happen to be of Asian origin. The Arlington posters can't seem to get that these kids are Americans. And that is why I'm happy to not live there.

Yes, you're right, what I know is only what I read in the newspaper, and hear from families I know who are at TJ. I'm not actually in the school every day checking the status of every child who comes through the door.

[Anonymous]

It's wonderful that there was a record number of semifinalists in FCPS this year. I don't recall seeing similar announcements from other local systems and it makes us very happy to have landed in a great pyramid.

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful that there was a record number of semifinalists in FCPS this year. I don't recall seeing similar announcements from other local systems and it makes us very happy to have landed in a great pyramid.

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

TJ usually has about 160 NMSF each year yet they only have about 200 UVA acceptances out of about 300 applications. (67% acceptance rate).

Langley/Mclean typically has about 6 to 10 NMSFs per year and averages about 8 per year but has about 50 acceptances to UVA each year out of about 110 applications. (about 45% acceptance rate, according to another thread).

There appears to be an extreme discrepancy with the number of NMSFs and UVA acceptance rates. TJ has about 16 (1,600%) to 17 (1,700%) times higher NMSF numbers than Langley/McLean but the UVA acceptance rate is not even twice the rate. Could a discrimination against Asians be at play here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful that there was a record number of semifinalists in FCPS this year. I don't recall seeing similar announcements from other local systems and it makes us very happy to have landed in a great pyramid.

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

TJ usually has about 160 NMSF each year yet they only have about 200 UVA acceptances out of about 300 applications. (67% acceptance rate).

Langley/Mclean typically has about 6 to 10 NMSFs per year and averages about 8 per year but has about 50 acceptances to UVA each year out of about 110 applications. (about 45% acceptance rate, according to another thread).

There appears to be an extreme discrepancy with the number of NMSFs and UVA acceptance rates. TJ has about 16 (1,600%) to 17 (1,700%) times higher NMSF numbers than Langley/McLean but the UVA acceptance rate is not even twice the rate. Could a discrimination against Asians be at play here?

If so, it's an issue with UVA, not FCPS, which had a record number of NMSF at a time when other nearby systems had flat or declining numbers of NMSF. All the NMSF end up at very good schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's wonderful that there was a record number of semifinalists in FCPS this year. I don't recall seeing similar announcements from other local systems and it makes us very happy to have landed in a great pyramid.

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

TJ usually has about 160 NMSF each year yet they only have about 200 UVA acceptances out of about 300 applications. (67% acceptance rate).

Langley/Mclean typically has about 6 to 10 NMSFs per year and averages about 8 per year but has about 50 acceptances to UVA each year out of about 110 applications. (about 45% acceptance rate, according to another thread).

There appears to be an extreme discrepancy with the number of NMSFs and UVA acceptance rates. TJ has about 16 (1,600%) to 17 (1,700%) times higher NMSF numbers than Langley/McLean but the UVA acceptance rate is not even twice the rate. Could a discrimination against Asians be at play here?

UVA discriminates against Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

Umm... There are only a few slots for APS students to attend TJ... So, yeah- there is going to be only a few kids....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

Umm... There are only a few slots for APS students to attend TJ... So, yeah- there is going to be only a few kids....

Yep, about 15 APS students are admitted to TJ every year.

If you reallocate the NMSFs from TJ to their base schools based on the current number of students from each HS pyramid now at TJ (and assuming the students from APS come from Yorktown and W-L in equal numbers and are named NMSFs in proportion to their numbers at TJ), you'd roughly get these adjusted NMSF figures.

It's a numerical exercise, but it gives you an indication as to how schools in FCPS end up attracting more high-achieving students than the APS high schools. It is likely due to the strength of the AAP programs in FCPS and the greater access to TJ, both of which attract families (many Asian) who place a priority on education.

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 44
10. Yorktown 37
11. Herndon 30

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

Umm... There are only a few slots for APS students to attend TJ... So, yeah- there is going to be only a few kids....

Yep, about 15 APS students are admitted to TJ every year.

If you reallocate the NMSFs from TJ to their base schools based on the current number of students from each HS pyramid now at TJ (and assuming the students from APS come from Yorktown and W-L in equal numbers and are named NMSFs in proportion to their numbers at TJ), you'd roughly get these adjusted NMSF figures.

It's a numerical exercise, but it gives you an indication as to how schools in FCPS end up attracting more high-achieving students than the APS high schools. It is likely due to the strength of the AAP programs in FCPS and the greater access to TJ, both of which attract families (many Asian) who place a priority on education.

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 44
10. Yorktown 37
11. Herndon 30

And HB Woodlawn has been omitted because...?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

Umm... There are only a few slots for APS students to attend TJ... So, yeah- there is going to be only a few kids....

Yep, about 15 APS students are admitted to TJ every year.

If you reallocate the NMSFs from TJ to their base schools based on the current number of students from each HS pyramid now at TJ (and assuming the students from APS come from Yorktown and W-L in equal numbers and are named NMSFs in proportion to their numbers at TJ), you'd roughly get these adjusted NMSF figures.

It's a numerical exercise, but it gives you an indication as to how schools in FCPS end up attracting more high-achieving students than the APS high schools. It is likely due to the strength of the AAP programs in FCPS and the greater access to TJ, both of which attract families (many Asian) who place a priority on education.

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 44
10. Yorktown 37
11. Herndon 30

And HB Woodlawn has been omitted because...?

1. The actual numbers were lower than the other 11 schools over the five-year period (9 NMSF).
2. It doesn't make sense to reallocate any NMSF from TJ to an APS program that is attended by students who already live in-boundary for Yorktown, W-L or Wakefield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

Umm... There are only a few slots for APS students to attend TJ... So, yeah- there is going to be only a few kids....

Yep, about 15 APS students are admitted to TJ every year.

If you reallocate the NMSFs from TJ to their base schools based on the current number of students from each HS pyramid now at TJ (and assuming the students from APS come from Yorktown and W-L in equal numbers and are named NMSFs in proportion to their numbers at TJ), you'd roughly get these adjusted NMSF figures.

It's a numerical exercise, but it gives you an indication as to how schools in FCPS end up attracting more high-achieving students than the APS high schools. It is likely due to the strength of the AAP programs in FCPS and the greater access to TJ, both of which attract families (many Asian) who place a priority on education.

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 44
10. Yorktown 37
11. Herndon 30

And HB Woodlawn has been omitted because...?

1. The actual numbers were lower than the other 11 schools over the five-year period (9 NMSF).
2. It doesn't make sense to reallocate any NMSF from TJ to an APS program that is attended by students who already live in-boundary for Yorktown, W-L or Wakefield.

Also, I realized that APS has identified the exact number of TJ students from APS who've been NMSF over the past five years - 30.

So assuming that the majority are from Yorktown and W-L compared to Wakefield, a better estimate of adjusted numbers would be:

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 46
10. Yorktown 39
11. Herndon 30

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the past five years top schools in FCPS have had far more NMSF than high schools in APS.

1. TJ 726
2. Langley 52
3. McLean 48
4. Madison 45
5. Oakton 43
6. Woodson 38
7. Washington-Lee 32
8. Yorktown 25
9. Marshall 23
10. Herndon 18
11. Chantilly/South Lakes 15 (tie)

For the Class of 2016 there were 238 NMSF at Fairfax high schools and only 8 at Arlington high schools.

Step it up, APS!

Hearing how few APS students attend TJ, this data has us thinking we'd be better off in FCPS. It doesn't matter how much you pay the teachers, if you don't have programs in place to challenge students and don't attract the brighter kids.

Umm... There are only a few slots for APS students to attend TJ... So, yeah- there is going to be only a few kids....

Yep, about 15 APS students are admitted to TJ every year.

If you reallocate the NMSFs from TJ to their base schools based on the current number of students from each HS pyramid now at TJ (and assuming the students from APS come from Yorktown and W-L in equal numbers and are named NMSFs in proportion to their numbers at TJ), you'd roughly get these adjusted NMSF figures.

It's a numerical exercise, but it gives you an indication as to how schools in FCPS end up attracting more high-achieving students than the APS high schools. It is likely due to the strength of the AAP programs in FCPS and the greater access to TJ, both of which attract families (many Asian) who place a priority on education.

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 44
10. Yorktown 37
11. Herndon 30

And HB Woodlawn has been omitted because...?

1. The actual numbers were lower than the other 11 schools over the five-year period (9 NMSF).
2. It doesn't make sense to reallocate any NMSF from TJ to an APS program that is attended by students who already live in-boundary for Yorktown, W-L or Wakefield.

Also, I realized that APS has identified the exact number of TJ students from APS who've been NMSF over the past five years - 30.

So assuming that the majority are from Yorktown and W-L compared to Wakefield, a better estimate of adjusted numbers would be:

1. Langley 120
2. McLean 112
3. Oakton 104
4. Madison 70
5. Chantilly 69
6. Woodson 69
7. South Lakes 48
8. Marshall 46
9. Washington-Lee 46
10. Yorktown 39
11. Herndon 30

Yeah except there nmsf who choose HB over Tj... So those kids don't count?