Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns.. They will make bombs.. Ban pressure cookers and pipes... They will poison food.

Ok -- I'm still good with 1 less person getting struck down by a gun.
What the freak is your point, that people will kill people anyway so let them have any and all kinds of weapons? Not smart, my friend. Rather foolish actually.

By your logic, we should also ban cars.

The car's purpose is not to kill people. The handgun's purpose is to kill people. False equivalency. Not "logic."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful. Schools and church should always be safe places. I hope they get him alive.

Everywhere should be safe -EVERY.FREAKING.WHERE.
And I do not think the pp bringing up the NRA is wrong. There needs to be a change in the conversation, a shift in the paradigm when it comes to gun violence in this country. ENOUGH IS FREAKING ENOUGH! Dollars to donuts this nut probably was licensed to have a gun. WE NEED TO MAKE IT NEAR TO IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GUNS!
BACKGROUND CHECKS
TRAINING
LIMITS ON TYPES OF GUNS AVAVAILABLE TO LICENSED OWNERS

signed,

a responsible gun owner

That worked really well in DC. Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig. I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.

actually sort of looks like a Groucho Marx mask. You can sort of see glasses on the right eye in the picture in the upper left.

Makes no real sesnse. How could he study with the folks he murdered for an hour - with a disguise like that - and raise no eyebrows?

Would he have taken it out after he shot everyone so he could leave? Perhaps.

[Anonymous]

Hate crime or assassination?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns.. They will make bombs.. Ban pressure cookers and pipes... They will poison food.

Ok -- I'm still good with 1 less person getting struck down by a gun.
What the freak is your point, that people will kill people anyway so let them have any and all kinds of weapons? Not smart, my friend. Rather foolish actually.

By your logic, we should also ban cars.

The car's purpose is not to kill people. The handgun's purpose is to kill people. False equivalency. Not "logic."

It's also for self-defense. So why take guns away from decent people who have no track record of hurting anyone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh...I got another $5 says upon capture he'll be called all kinds of crazies and psychos and mentally disturbed adjectives but you won't hear any mention of the word thug or criminal or any other inherently violent adjective to describe him nor will he be paraded throughout the media as typifying the entire white race - he'll be regarded as an anomaly.

I don't think this is true. Gifford's shooter WAS 'crazy' - as evidenced by those who had interacted with him, and by his patterns of stalking, etc. Ditto the Aurora shooter. This man is not 'crazy' in that sense, nor will he be portrayed as such. It's clear from police statements so far that this man is a sociopath.

Sociopaths are "normal" then? Is it no longer included in the DSM?

Sociopaths are fit to stand trial. Paranoid schizophrenics are often not.

Their views aren't warped? They can clearly and accurately respond to questioning? How do you draw the line?

wouldn't want to be a lawyer these days if I made more than the Rockefellers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh...I got another $5 says upon capture he'll be called all kinds of crazies and psychos and mentally disturbed adjectives but you won't hear any mention of the word thug or criminal or any other inherently violent adjective to describe him nor will he be paraded throughout the media as typifying the entire white race - he'll be regarded as an anomaly.

Why should he be? The entire white race does not go around shooting up churches-this guy is an anomaaly-a crazy, gun toting, sociopathic anomaly!

Not saying he should merely making note of the contrast between the media's perception/depiction of a white guy who kills someone (sociopathic anomaly) and a non-white person who kills someone (typical black thug or common Hispanic gang-banger). When non-whites commit atrocities it's a reflection on ALL of them whereas when whites that commit atrocities its not portrayed as such.

And if the perp here were Muslim, you just KNOW he'd be immediately typecast as a "terrorist" and not a lone mentally ill guy. There is an absolute double standard when it comes to white violent criminals, and others.

Bingo

It would depend on how the act was committed. Did the Muslim scream Allahu Akbar prior? Was he known to others as radicalized? I'm a conservative and I do believe this Charleston shooting was a hate crime and that the kid was identifying with a group like the Klan. A lot of radicalized Muslims are also 'lone wolves' especially ones in this country. They are influenced by terrorist organizations but might not have a hard link, i.e. are a formal member of ISIS. ISIS is, in fact, calling for 'lone wolves' in the States.

Huh? Why would this matter in your distinction? Mentally ill people shout all sorts of things, including religious slogans. I think you need to re-examine your prejudices on how you distinguish between lone crazies (who may use religious as a personal tool), and organized terrorism, and hate crimes.

Because that phrase has been used before a mass-killing. Think Ft. Hood. He was definitely radicalized and folks tried to bring that to the attention of those in charge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh...I got another $5 says upon capture he'll be called all kinds of crazies and psychos and mentally disturbed adjectives but you won't hear any mention of the word thug or criminal or any other inherently violent adjective to describe him nor will he be paraded throughout the media as typifying the entire white race - he'll be regarded as an anomaly.

I don't think this is true. Gifford's shooter WAS 'crazy' - as evidenced by those who had interacted with him, and by his patterns of stalking, etc. Ditto the Aurora shooter. This man is not 'crazy' in that sense, nor will he be portrayed as such. It's clear from police statements so far that this man is a sociopath.

Sociopaths are "normal" then? Is it no longer included in the DSM?

Sociopaths are fit to stand trial. Paranoid schizophrenics are often not.

Their views aren't warped? They can clearly and accurately respond to questioning? How do you draw the line?

wouldn't want to be a lawyer these days if I made more than the Rockefellers!

I don't draw the line. Judges and lawyers do. I am neither.

I would suggest you read some of John Douglas's, Mark Olshaker's and/or Robert Ressler's book so you can get a clear idea of how this works.

Start here:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Anatomy-Motive-John-Douglas/dp/0671023934

[Anonymous]

Another shooting in Memphis. Copycat or coordinated terrorist attack?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh...I got another $5 says upon capture he'll be called all kinds of crazies and psychos and mentally disturbed adjectives but you won't hear any mention of the word thug or criminal or any other inherently violent adjective to describe him nor will he be paraded throughout the media as typifying the entire white race - he'll be regarded as an anomaly.

I don't think this is true. Gifford's shooter WAS 'crazy' - as evidenced by those who had interacted with him, and by his patterns of stalking, etc. Ditto the Aurora shooter. This man is not 'crazy' in that sense, nor will he be portrayed as such. It's clear from police statements so far that this man is a sociopath.

Sociopaths are "normal" then? Is it no longer included in the DSM?

There is a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hate crime or assassination?

If you get into conspiracy theory, I bet the profiles of these men are similar.

Tim McVeigh
Loughner
Oswald
James Earl Ray
Hinkley
Lanza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns.. They will make bombs.. Ban pressure cookers and pipes... They will poison food.

Ok -- I'm still good with 1 less person getting struck down by a gun.
What the freak is your point, that people will kill people anyway so let them have any and all kinds of weapons? Not smart, my friend. Rather foolish actually.

By your logic, we should also ban cars.

If people were DELIBERATELY using cars as weapons of violence, then yes.
Your lack of logic is astounding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh...I got another $5 says upon capture he'll be called all kinds of crazies and psychos and mentally disturbed adjectives but you won't hear any mention of the word thug or criminal or any other inherently violent adjective to describe him nor will he be paraded throughout the media as typifying the entire white race - he'll be regarded as an anomaly.

I don't think this is true. Gifford's shooter WAS 'crazy' - as evidenced by those who had interacted with him, and by his patterns of stalking, etc. Ditto the Aurora shooter. This man is not 'crazy' in that sense, nor will he be portrayed as such. It's clear from police statements so far that this man is a sociopath.

Sociopaths are "normal" then? Is it no longer included in the DSM?

Sociopaths are fit to stand trial. Paranoid schizophrenics are often not.

Their views aren't warped? They can clearly and accurately respond to questioning? How do you draw the line?

wouldn't want to be a lawyer these days if I made more than the Rockefellers!

I don't draw the line. Judges and lawyers do. I am neither.

I would suggest you read some of John Douglas's, Mark Olshaker's and/or Robert Ressler's book so you can get a clear idea of how this works.

Start here:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Anatomy-Motive-John-Douglas/dp/0671023934

Thanks - I need some summer reading!

[Anonymous]

Beck is reporting they have a partial license plate

[Anonymous]

Ah, he sat for an hour, got up, walked out, went to his car and then shot the nine folk. That's when he could have disguised himself.