My Daughter Has Her Own Version of Reality

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Anonymous wrote:Hi OP,

Just wanted to bring up this possibility if you are looking for why this can be happening.
Sure it could be because she's a tween and then she'll be a teen.
I'm reading a book now about adult ADD and one of the things that they mention is what you describe- forgotten conversations, agreements, a completely different perception of what actually happened.

My 13 year old DD is creative and temperamental too, and she has ADHD. Your description sounds familiar to me.
I am afraid it's going to cause her problems later in life, that's why I'm reading a book about Adult ADD. These kinds of traits just don't go away.




Ugh, DCUM's answer to everything -- ADHD.


Yes, Ugh, right? That's what I said too.
I only did a lot of research on it after my DD got diagnosed. Sure yes, it's "over diagnosed" for children only because it's now being evaluated more often.
It's totally under diagnosed for adults because back 10,15,20 years ago, ADHD was only known as depression, anxiety, etc. These are the same people who are pre-disposed to addictions.

Now that I know the symptoms, I realize I know so many people around me who have it. It's not just about "personalities." These personalities are neurologically based.
What makes a person forgetful? Absent-minded? Remember events completely different from what actually happened?

So you can say ugh all you want. But you might want to do some research and observe people around you.


New poster. It's great that your daughter is getting the help she needs. But there are many reasons why a person can be depressed, anxious, forgetful, absent-minded, and see the world differently from others. ADHD is just one of them.


They are all related though.
It was very humbling when my then 12-year old DD showed me a video simulation on youtube on what it's like to have ADHD. I had no idea what she was going through.
She was diagnosed with anxiety, depression, ADHD. The doctor said these are co-morbid conditions.

Her psycho educational tests showed she had low working memory- that's what makes her forgetful.
She has low processing speed- that's because she can't process information. It's like watching TV that's all static and sound is blaring from all directions.
If you feel "lost" in that world, you will get anxious not being able to make sense of things. You will feel like there's something wrong with you.
When you feel there's something wrong with you, you will get depressed, and you will engage in negative self-talk, and you will have low self esteem
When you have low self esteem, you will get very defensive and hypersensitive. Your social skills will suffer and you will have a hard time having normal relationships.


People who have ADHD usually are diagnosed with depression and anxiety.
People who are diagnosed with depression aren't usually evaluated for ADHD.
Depression usually gets treated and the ADHD goes undetected.

In my daughter's case, I think that the inability to process information efficiently and accurately is the root cause.
She doesn't seem to remember information presented to her verbally so I do write down our major agreements and I tape them to her bedroom wall. We refer to them when we have disagreements.

It is frustrating. How can someone in the 99th percentile with verbal reasoning skills (as shown on her psycho-educational testing) not remember information? It's because of root cause #1- she can't process it.
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New poster. It's great that your daughter is getting the help she needs. But there are many reasons why a person can be depressed, anxious, forgetful, absent-minded, and see the world differently from others. ADHD is just one of them.

They are all related though.
It was very humbling when my then 12-year old DD showed me a video simulation on youtube on what it's like to have ADHD. I had no idea what she was going through.
She was diagnosed with anxiety, depression, ADHD. The doctor said these are co-morbid conditions.

Her psycho educational tests showed she had low working memory- that's what makes her forgetful.
She has low processing speed- that's because she can't process information. It's like watching TV that's all static and sound is blaring from all directions.
If you feel "lost" in that world, you will get anxious not being able to make sense of things. You will feel like there's something wrong with you.
When you feel there's something wrong with you, you will get depressed, and you will engage in negative self-talk, and you will have low self esteem
When you have low self esteem, you will get very defensive and hypersensitive. Your social skills will suffer and you will have a hard time having normal relationships.


People who have ADHD usually are diagnosed with depression and anxiety.
People who are diagnosed with depression aren't usually evaluated for ADHD.
Depression usually gets treated and the ADHD goes undetected.

In my daughter's case, I think that the inability to process information efficiently and accurately is the root cause.
She doesn't seem to remember information presented to her verbally so I do write down our major agreements and I tape them to her bedroom wall. We refer to them when we have disagreements.

It is frustrating. How can someone in the 99th percentile with verbal reasoning skills (as shown on her psycho-educational testing) not remember information? It's because of root cause #1- she can't process it.


No, they are not all related. People can suffer from depression and anxiety without having ADHD.
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No, they are not all related. People can suffer from depression and anxiety without having ADHD.

Yes, this statement is correct.
What I was saying is that people, specifically adults, who are diagnosed with depression and anxiety aren't screened for ADHD. It's not that they don't have it. They aren't usually screened for it.



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NP. This discussion has been really informative. Thanks, all.
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Admittedly I have not read every post, but I wanted to weigh in. My DD 11 started changing reality to suit her needs and position. My initial response was anger (my exDH did that), then after becoming more reflective I tried a different approach.

I started having sit down one on one conversations after she calmed down. I implemented consequences until she could talk calmly. She would attempt to placate me with an apology and feigned accountability. Insisting on talking through what went wrong was met with tears and more anger. Just last week we finally had a breakthrough (almost a year into this process), she admitted that owning up to being wrong makes her feel "weak" and not getting the last word makes her "very angry". I cried.

During our talks I focused on probing questions, trying to get her to reflect on her choices and how those choices contributed to the outcome. The real key for me was remaining calm (not always easy) so she wouldn't get the fight she seemed to be looking for. I'm definitely not a therapist, but I tried to maintain that therapist-like tone and demeanor. I am hopeful now of her future relationships, I no longer feel that she is doomed.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the BPD poster needs to back off. This kid is 11. When kids this age lie a lot, especially lies that are grandiose -- I went to archery camp! -- there are other mechanisms at work than BPD. I told a lot of those kinds of lies when I was that age, mainly because I had very low self esteem, I got picked on a lot, and I got punished severely for lying, which set up a strong defensiveness in me to keep doing it.


I don't know that they do need to back off, my MIL has BPD and I was just thinking this sounds exactly like her!


This kid is ELEVEN!


And the mom a control freak.


Nope, the mom is not a control freak. The mom is trying to find ways to be a better mom.
To those of you who are feeling sorry for these kids, think about the parents too.
We are having to scrutinize our kids' behaviors because something is "off" and we're not going to just chuck it up to being a teenager.
By virtue of getting feedback here from other folks, I'm also learning a lot. We have to keep ourselves open to possibilities that our kid is just not perfect like yours.




Why do you keep saying TEENAGER???!!!???
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Okay, so we don't chuck it up simply to being a pre-teenager. Whatever.
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