I am a Muslim woman married to a Christian man.
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Anonymous
Islam accepts the existence of Christians as a community with their own belief system. Other than that, I don't think your childish, black-and-white way of thinking is ill-suited for understanding the nuanced relationship between three Abrahamic faiths. |
Anonymous
This is complete and utter nonsense and is totally at odds with the history of Islam. Christians (and Jews) in the early Islamic empire could convert or pay a tax. If they chose to pay the tax they were relieved of military service, which some saw as a plus. They were considered believers in a monotheistic God and people of the book. While many did convert there were thriving communities of Christians and Jews living under Muslim rule for many, many centuries. If Islam really thought Christianity and Judaism were not just fine they would have expelled (or killed) anyone who refused to convert. This is not what happened to Christians and it is not what happened to Jews living under Muslim rule. And by the way, what's with calling God Allah in English? If you mean the one, monotheistic God in English you use God. If you are referring to a different type of god or a pagan god you use a the name of the god like Zeus. Using Allah in English signifies the God that Muslims believe in is something other than the one monotheistic God. |
Anonymous
| I can't help but think that OP was driven away by the bullies who think they know her religion better than she does. |
Anonymous
Op here. Absolutely. This is why I didn't want to marry a "Muslim" man. Muslims today go and do things like ISIS and think being close minded and ignorant is the way of God. It's embarrassing and unrepresentative of what is really a beautiful, all encompassing and universal faith. |
Anonymous
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How did you meet him? What was the wedding like? |
Anonymous
Everyone is born a Muslim. 
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Anonymous
Quranic cite please! (Hint: You will not find one.) If this were true every child baptized Christian would be guilty of apostasy, a serious offense in Islam. In the more radical regimes the death penalty can be meted out. This was not even in Iran at its height of craziness nor to Christians living in Saudi Arabia or the Gulf. It is only ISIS type idiots who have such a distorted line of thinking to justify their strategy of savagery to the unwashed masses unfortunate enough to live under their control. |
Anonymous
You don't know what you're talking about. But that's now new, is it. Islam believes all children are born in the state of natural purity as Muslims. The parents make the children whatever they make them. This has nothing to do with apostasy, which is a conscious act of an adult person. |
Anonymous
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You have asserted at least three times that Islam believes all children are born Muslim, but you have failed to provide a Quranic cite.
Fine if you think that apostasy can apply only to adults. But if they were born Muslims as you say but persist in following another religion as adults then according to this all people are born Muslim view they would be committing apostasy if they knew about this particular belief as adults. Which, if it really were Islam would be well disseminated throughout all the countries with islam as a state religion. |
Anonymous
You are trying to discuss a subject in which you are glaringly ignorant. Islam and Muslims believe all children to be born Muslims, with their parents making them into whatever religion they wish. It doesn't matter if you consider this logical, right or wrong. Your opinion is a non-factor. Before you try to debate with people on what they believe, try to actually learn a bit about what they believe instead of pontificating about what you think they should believe. You aren't a Muslim; none of that needs to make sense to you. No one cares if it does. |
Anonymous
You may believe whatever you wish. But you cannot say with any authority it is what Islam and Muslims believe if you cannot source it in the Quran. This makes at least four times you have asserted your belief that all children are born Muslim as an Islamic belief without providing a Quranic cite. So if you say all Muslim men must wear a green hat on Wednesdays we should accept that as Islam simply because you say it is? And I would not have the right to call you on it and ask for the Quranic cite because I am not Muslim? |
Anonymous
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PP will not give a Quranic cite because the all children are born Muslim comes from a hadith, or a saying of the prophet Muhammed. This was transmitted by a man called Abu Hurayra.
The hadith transmitted by Abu Harayra are particularly weak--the vast majority are not supported by a similar report by someone else. He was widely suspected of making up hadith to gain status in the early islamic community. Though Abu Hurayra knew the prophet for just two years he generated over 5300 sayings, while Abu Bakr, who spent 23 years with the prophet, generated only 142. Here is a Muslim site that describes the credibility of Abu Hurayra.: http://submission.org/Abu_Hurayrah.html |
Anonymous
Quranic "cite"? I gave you a little time to stew because it is vastly amusing to watch you try and make a schoolgirl-caliber argument after fifteen minutes with Sheikh Google. Out of the kindness of my heart, here is the answer: The totality of Muslim beliefs is not limited to the Quran. In addition to the Quran, there is also a collection of ahadith and a body of Sharia law. The manner of praying and the number of prayers is not in the Quran, yet no Muslim believes you are supposed to dance a jig while praying or to pray, say, seven or sixteen or two times a day. Somehow the Muslimfolk of this planet reached an agreement of how to pray without Quranic guidance. The laws of marriage and custody are not in the Quran, yet most Shariah schools are in agreement on, for instance, the need for a guardian for a bride in marriage, or the return of children to the father if a divorced mother remarries. The punishment for apostasy, for that matter, is not in the Quran either, yet I note that you mention it as a matter of law. This is another lesson for you to hold your tongue before you opine on a subject without knowledge. You are free to discount the hadith and Shariah, yet it doesn't mean Muslims don't believe in them or don't consider them divinely inspired. Your opinion on what Muslims "should" believe in means nothing. Now, to the children being born Muslim business. In the Buhari collection, we read: "The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim)." Again, you are welcome to believe or not believe in the chain of evidence, that's your business and entirely irrelevant. You are welcome to find it ridiculous or instructive. Your conclusion on the weight of this evidence doesn't mean Muslims don't believe in or don't respect it. That every child is born a Muslim and his parents make him/her into whatever they wish is an established element of Muslim belief. What you think of it, and what you try to argue about it with your schoolgirl logic (weren't you arguing the other day that the Muslim mother doesn't transmit her religion to her children? funny) is meaningless. |
Anonymous
| Yes, it's in Al Bukhari collection of Hadith which almost all Muslims take as authentic. |
Anonymous
Not if it was narrated by Abu Harayra. And it is well known one can use hadith, which very widely in terms of strength of authenticity, to back up almost any crazy notion one has. Using hadith or described practices of the prophet to back up Muslim practices is quite different from using it to back up theology. |