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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You have asserted at least three times that Islam believes all children are born Muslim, but you have failed to provide a Quranic cite.

Fine if you think that apostasy can apply only to adults.  But if they were born Muslims as you say but persist in following another religion as adults then according to this all people are born Muslim view they would be committing apostasy if they knew about this particular belief as adults.  Which, if it really were Islam would be well disseminated throughout all the countries with islam as a state religion.[/quote]
You are trying to discuss a subject in which you are glaringly ignorant.

Islam and Muslims believe all children to be born Muslims, with their parents making them into whatever religion they wish.  It doesn't matter if you consider this logical, right or wrong. Your opinion is a non-factor.  Before you try to debate with people on what they believe, try to actually learn a bit about what they believe instead of pontificating about what you think they should believe.  You aren't a Muslim; none of that needs to make sense to you. No one cares if it does. 
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You may believe whatever you wish.  But you cannot say with any authority it is what Islam and Muslims believe if you cannot source it in the Quran.

This makes at least four times you have asserted your belief that all children are born Muslim as an Islamic belief without providing a Quranic cite.

So if you say all Muslim men must wear a green hat on Wednesdays we should accept that as Islam simply because you say it is?  And I would not have the right to call you on it and ask for the Quranic cite because I am not Muslim?[/quote]
Quranic "cite"?

I gave you a little time to stew because it is vastly amusing to watch you try and make a schoolgirl-caliber argument after fifteen minutes with Sheikh Google.  Out of the kindness of my heart, here is the answer:

The totality of Muslim beliefs is not limited to the Quran.  In addition to the Quran, there is also a collection of ahadith and a body of Sharia law.  The manner of praying and the number of prayers is not in the Quran, yet no Muslim believes you are supposed to dance a jig while praying or to pray, say, seven or sixteen or two times a day.  Somehow the Muslimfolk of this planet reached an agreement of how to pray without Quranic guidance.  The laws of marriage and custody are not in the Quran, yet most Shariah schools are in agreement on, for instance, the need for a guardian for a bride in marriage, or the return of children to the father if a divorced mother remarries.  The punishment for apostasy, for that matter, is not in the Quran either, yet I note that you mention it as a matter of law.

This is another lesson for you to hold your tongue before you opine on a subject without knowledge.  You are free to discount the hadith and Shariah, yet it doesn't mean Muslims don't believe in them or don't consider them divinely inspired.  Your opinion on what Muslims "should" believe in means nothing.

Now, to the children being born Muslim business. In the Buhari collection, we read:

"The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim)."

Again, you are welcome to believe or not believe in the chain of evidence, that's your business and entirely irrelevant. You are welcome to find it ridiculous or instructive.  Your conclusion on the weight of this evidence doesn't mean Muslims don't believe in or don't respect it.  That every child is born a Muslim and his parents make him/her into whatever they wish is an established element of Muslim belief.  What you think of it, and what you try to argue about it with your schoolgirl logic (weren't you arguing the other day that the Muslim mother doesn't transmit her religion to her children? funny) is meaningless.[/quote]

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