Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.

Well, you know, they were executed. So.

A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.

This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.

unfortunately, the OP has some blind spots in this regard. Cannot have it both ways.

He also argues the Jewish deli shooting was not motivated by religion. But the Chapel Hill murders are.

You are lying. I wrote multiple times that the deli was targeted because it was Jewish. Why would you lie about something that can easily be shown to be a lie?

You wrote that the deli was chosen because it was Jewish but that the people inside were targeted at "random." A distinction without a difference: somebody who chooses to shoot up a business where 90% of the customers are Jews is targetting the Jews inside it and is also making a statement about despising Judaism. Yet when people challenged you on this (I didn't participate in that thread), you doubled down on how the killings themselves were "random" after the initial choice of the deli. If you like, let's adopt your use of the word "killings" as contrasted with the choice of the deli, and ask why you think the Paris "killings" were "random" (once the deli itself had been chosen) but the NC killings were religiously motivated.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in political thread? Sad crime, but crime happens.

I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".

Looking at his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967/likes?pnref=lhc

I see in addition to being an athiest he's a fan of Rachel Maddow, "Forward Progressives", lots of LTGB causes, and apart from guns not one conservative like. So good job Liberals on spawning this Progressive Athiest hate attack. /sarc

Yes, it's true. People like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins have made anti-Islamic bigotry acceptable among progressives.

Actually the police are saying this was just a parking spot motivated killing, but thanks to hate spewing liberals like yourself you've managed to smear athiests like myself everywhere by falsly turning this into a hate crime. Now whenever some muslim "activist" decides to kill some non-muslims, like in Paris, they will be justifying their actions by pointing at the muslim "victims" of purported hate crimes and claiming that they are just acting in retribution. The blood will be on the hands of people that jumped on this tragedy for political purposes without getting the facts. People like you. Good job.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.

Well, you know, they were executed. So.

A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.

This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.

unfortunately, the OP has some blind spots in this regard. Cannot have it both ways.

He also argues the Jewish deli shooting was not motivated by religion. But the Chapel Hill murders are.

You are lying. I wrote multiple times that the deli was targeted because it was Jewish. Why would you lie about something that can easily be shown to be a lie?

You wrote that the deli was chosen because it was Jewish but that the people inside were targeted at "random." A distinction without a difference: somebody who chooses to shoot up a business where 90% of the customers are Jews is targetting the Jews inside it and is also making a statement about despising Judaism. Yet when people challenged you on this (I didn't participate in that thread), you doubled down on how the killings themselves were "random" after the initial choice of the deli. If you like, let's adopt your use of the word "killings" as contrasted with the choice of the deli, and ask why you think the Paris "killings" were "random" (once the deli itself had been chosen) but the NC killings were religiously motivated.

In Paris, the killer deliberately chose a Jewish deli and then randomly shot people inside that deli. I have no idea why that statement is controversial. I have not said that the killing in Chapel Hill were hate killings. I have said that the victims were Muslim and the killer was strongly anti-religious. Those are facts. The police have suggested that the killings were motivated by a parking dispute. I have noted that a parking dispute and hate-motivated crime are not mutually exclusive. That is factually true. I do not know what the killer's motivation was, but I would not rule out his prejudice against religion playing a role. Are you wiling to rule it out and would you also be willing to rule it out if the victims had been Jewish and the killer a Muslim who had posted anti-Semetic rantings on his Facebook page?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in political thread? Sad crime, but crime happens.

I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".

Looking at his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967/likes?pnref=lhc

I see in addition to being an athiest he's a fan of Rachel Maddow, "Forward Progressives", lots of LTGB causes, and apart from guns not one conservative like. So good job Liberals on spawning this Progressive Athiest hate attack. /sarc

Yes, it's true. People like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins have made anti-Islamic bigotry acceptable among progressives.

Actually the police are saying this was just a parking spot motivated killing, but thanks to hate spewing liberals like yourself you've managed to smear athiests like myself everywhere by falsly turning this into a hate crime. Now whenever some muslim "activist" decides to kill some non-muslims, like in Paris, they will be justifying their actions by pointing at the muslim "victims" of purported hate crimes and claiming that they are just acting in retribution. The blood will be on the hands of people that jumped on this tragedy for political purposes without getting the facts. People like you. Good job.

The police have not said it was "just" a parking spot motivated killing. To the contrary, the police said they are continuing to investigate this as a hate crime. But, if you think Muslims need to read what I write to kill people in Paris, you are a bit confused.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, yeah. The white America is evil and some such. Yawn.

I am sure that if this incident had been a Muslim killing three white non-Muslims you would be equally blasé, correct?

No, but you would be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually the police are saying this was just a parking spot motivated killing, but thanks to hate spewing liberals like yourself you've managed to smear athiests like myself everywhere by falsly turning this into a hate crime. Now whenever some muslim "activist" decides to kill some non-muslims, like in Paris, they will be justifying their actions by pointing at the muslim "victims" of purported hate crimes and claiming that they are just acting in retribution. The blood will be on the hands of people that jumped on this tragedy for political purposes without getting the facts. People like you. Good job.

OMG...liberals spew hate? I thought people did that - all kinds of people. I had no idea it was exclusive to a particular political ideology. Damn...learn some'n new every day.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote: I have not said that the killing in Chapel Hill were hate killings.

From page 1: 'I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".'

So, yeah, Jeff. You effectively DID say the killings in Chapel Hill are hate killings. Upfront. In fact, your entire thread, from subject line until now, has furthered that storyline. Your backpedalling is unconvincing.

Let's let the police do their work, eh?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.

Well, you know, they were executed. So.

A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.

This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.

unfortunately, the OP has some blind spots in this regard. Cannot have it both ways.

He also argues the Jewish deli shooting was not motivated by religion. But the Chapel Hill murders are.

You are lying. I wrote multiple times that the deli was targeted because it was Jewish. Why would you lie about something that can easily be shown to be a lie?

You wrote that the deli was chosen because it was Jewish but that the people inside were targeted at "random." A distinction without a difference: somebody who chooses to shoot up a business where 90% of the customers are Jews is targetting the Jews inside it and is also making a statement about despising Judaism. Yet when people challenged you on this (I didn't participate in that thread), you doubled down on how the killings themselves were "random" after the initial choice of the deli. If you like, let's adopt your use of the word "killings" as contrasted with the choice of the deli, and ask why you think the Paris "killings" were "random" (once the deli itself had been chosen) but the NC killings were religiously motivated.

In Paris, the killer deliberately chose a Jewish deli and then randomly shot people inside that deli. I have no idea why that statement is controversial. I have not said that the killing in Chapel Hill were hate killings. I have said that the victims were Muslim and the killer was strongly anti-religious. Those are facts. The police have suggested that the killings were motivated by a parking dispute. I have noted that a parking dispute and hate-motivated crime are not mutually exclusive. That is factually true. I do not know what the killer's motivation was, but I would not rule out his prejudice against religion playing a role. Are you wiling to rule it out and would you also be willing to rule it out if the victims had been Jewish and the killer a Muslim who had posted anti-Semetic rantings on his Facebook page?

Of course I'd rule out a hate crime if the victims were Jewish, the perp a Muslim, but the evidence pointed to a dispute over parking lots. Why ask questions like this, which imply we're all bigots with no reasoning skills. (Before you insult me some more for being "sensitive", I'm trying to take the high road here by pointing out all your insults instead of retaliating and insulting you right back. Believe me, I can insult with the best of them, and it's a constant challenge not to stoop to your level.) I'll even one-up you here: I've never started a thread about anti-Semitic hate crimes perpetrated by Muslims, or anybody else for that matter.

You're getting blowback because of your insistence on a "random" aspect of the Jewish deaths. Why, exactly, do you keep trying to argue that there's any "random" component (once the deli had been chosen) of what was obviously a hate crime? There was nothing random about the fact that Jews were killed while shopping in a Jewish deli. The terrorists knew this, and it defies credulity to argue they had no clue there were Jews shopping in the Jewish deli and therefore the "killings" of Jews were even partially "random", unintended consequences. When you keep insisting on the "randomness" aspect of these Jewish deaths, despite the very dubious logic behind the distinction you're trying to draw, it's like you see hate crimes in one place but randomness where Jewish deaths are concerned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually the police are saying this was just a parking spot motivated killing, but thanks to hate spewing liberals like yourself you've managed to smear athiests like myself everywhere by falsly turning this into a hate crime. Now whenever some muslim "activist" decides to kill some non-muslims, like in Paris, they will be justifying their actions by pointing at the muslim "victims" of purported hate crimes and claiming that they are just acting in retribution. The blood will be on the hands of people that jumped on this tragedy for political purposes without getting the facts. People like you. Good job.

OMG...liberals spew hate? I thought people did that - all kinds of people. I had no idea it was exclusive to a particular political ideology. Damn...learn some'n new every day.

+1. Because Fox News never stirs the pot of bigotry and hatred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually the police are saying this was just a parking spot motivated killing, but thanks to hate spewing liberals like yourself you've managed to smear athiests like myself everywhere by falsly turning this into a hate crime. Now whenever some muslim "activist" decides to kill some non-muslims, like in Paris, they will be justifying their actions by pointing at the muslim "victims" of purported hate crimes and claiming that they are just acting in retribution. The blood will be on the hands of people that jumped on this tragedy for political purposes without getting the facts. People like you. Good job.

OMG...liberals spew hate? I thought people did that - all kinds of people. I had no idea it was exclusive to a particular political ideology. Damn...learn some'n new every day.

+1. Because Fox News never stirs the pot of bigotry and hatred.

+2. Nor Limbaugh, nor Michael Savage, etc, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Random act of violence from some crazed loon. Like the Paris deli.

And just like the bombings that are currently happening in Paris.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/firebombs-and-pigs-heads-thrown-into-mosques-as-antimuslim-attacks-increase-after-paris-shootings-9977423.html
Maybe not random but hate crimes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in political thread? Sad crime, but crime happens.

I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".

Yeah, yeah. The white America is evil and some such. Yawn.

If these were Jews killed in a deli, and obama said that, would you be satisfied with that response?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in political thread? Sad crime, but crime happens.

I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".

Looking at his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967/likes?pnref=lhc

I see in addition to being an athiest he's a fan of Rachel Maddow, "Forward Progressives", lots of LTGB causes, and apart from guns not one conservative like. So good job Liberals on spawning this Progressive Athiest hate attack. /sarc

Yes, it's true. People like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins have made anti-Islamic bigotry acceptable among progressives.

Actually the police are saying this was just a parking spot motivated killing, but thanks to hate spewing liberals like yourself you've managed to smear athiests like myself everywhere by falsly turning this into a hate crime. Now whenever some muslim "activist" decides to kill some non-muslims, like in Paris, they will be justifying their actions by pointing at the muslim "victims" of purported hate crimes and claiming that they are just acting in retribution. The blood will be on the hands of people that jumped on this tragedy for political purposes without getting the facts. People like you. Good job.

The police have not said it was "just" a parking spot motivated killing. To the contrary, the police said they are continuing to investigate this as a hate crime. But, if you think Muslims need to read what I write to kill people in Paris, you are a bit confused.

On the contrary, you have just put a target on the heads of Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins for making "anti-Islamic bigotry among progressives" and insinuating that people like them were responsible for this crime when we have no facts except the police statement that it appeared to be over a parking dispute. Good job smearing athiests everywhere you anti-athiest hate spewing bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Random act of violence from some crazed loon. Like the Paris deli.

This is sarcasm, right?

Not PP, but this is not political. It was a crazy nut with a short temper. Had it been 3 white/black/hispanic people he would have done the same. He lost it over parking.

How can you possibly know this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote: I have not said that the killing in Chapel Hill were hate killings.

From page 1: 'I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".'

So, yeah, Jeff. You effectively DID say the killings in Chapel Hill are hate killings. Upfront. In fact, your entire thread, from subject line until now, has furthered that storyline. Your backpedalling is unconvincing.

Let's let the police do their work, eh?

Is that what you said about benghazi? Or did you crucify obama over the video?