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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario.  Could anything be more local than parking issues?  No need to politicize this.  [/quote]

Well, you know, they were executed. So.[/quote]

[b]A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive.[/b] I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description. 
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This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.[/quote]

unfortunately, the OP has some blind spots in this regard. Cannot have it both ways.[/quote]

He also argues the Jewish deli shooting was not motivated by religion. But the Chapel Hill murders are.[/quote]

You are lying. I wrote multiple times that the deli was targeted because it was Jewish. Why would you lie about something that can easily be shown to be a lie?
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You wrote that the deli was chosen because it was Jewish but that the people inside were targeted at "random." A distinction without a difference: somebody who chooses to shoot up a business where 90% of the customers are Jews is targetting the Jews inside it and is also making a statement about despising Judaism. Yet when people challenged you on this (I didn't participate in that thread), you doubled down on how the killings themselves were "random" after the initial choice of the deli. If you like, let's adopt your use of the word "killings" as contrasted with the choice of the deli, and ask why you think the Paris "killings" were "random" (once the deli itself had been chosen) but the NC killings were religiously motivated. [/quote]

In Paris, the killer deliberately chose a Jewish deli and then randomly shot people inside that deli. I have no idea why that statement is controversial. I have not said that the killing in Chapel Hill were hate killings. I have said that the victims were Muslim and the killer was strongly anti-religious. Those are facts. The police have suggested that the killings were motivated by a parking dispute. I have noted that a parking dispute and hate-motivated crime are not mutually exclusive. That is factually true. I do not know what the killer's motivation was, but I would not rule out his prejudice against religion playing a role. Are you wiling to rule it out and would you also be willing to rule it out if the victims had been Jewish and the killer a Muslim who had posted anti-Semetic rantings on his Facebook page?
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Of course I'd rule out a hate crime if the victims were Jewish, the perp a Muslim, but the evidence pointed to a dispute over parking lots. Why ask questions like this, which imply we're all bigots with no reasoning skills. (Before you insult me some more for being "sensitive", I'm trying to take the high road here by pointing out all your insults instead of retaliating and insulting you right back. Believe me, I can insult with the best of them, and it's a constant challenge not to stoop to your level.) I'll even one-up you here: I've never started a thread about anti-Semitic hate crimes perpetrated by Muslims, or anybody else for that matter.

You're getting blowback because of your insistence on a "random" aspect of the Jewish deaths. Why, exactly, do you keep trying to argue that there's any "random" component (once the deli had been chosen) of what was obviously a hate crime? There was nothing random about the fact that Jews were killed while shopping in a Jewish deli. The terrorists knew this, and it defies credulity to argue they had no clue there were Jews shopping in the Jewish deli and therefore the "killings" of Jews were even partially "random", unintended consequences. When you keep insisting on the "randomness" aspect of these Jewish deaths, despite the very dubious logic behind the distinction you're trying to draw, it's like you see hate crimes in one place but randomness where Jewish deaths are concerned.

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